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Wednesday, May 31, 2006

Criteria for OBC is comprehensive

Of late there has been few confusions regarding the OBC Quota and there are even few intelligent doctors from delhi who have enough courage to say in TV (CNN IBN and NDTV of course) that we should exclude the creamy layer from OBC.

This post is to explain the concept in clear terms

For once, BC is NOT EQUAL to OBC. There is a common misconception that BC + MBC = OBC. For Getting an OBC certificate, your income also is assessed and if that crossed 2.5 lakhs YOU ARE NOT ELIGIBLE for OBC. That is written in Black and White in the Rule book and this criteria is already being followed for few recruitments by the UPSC and is widely available in the Employment News and other notifications. That is your are a BC (or MBC) if you are OBC, but you will not always become OBC if you are BC (என்ன விசு வசனம் மாதிரி இருக்கா)

Not only the income, there are also few other criteria and if you come under one of them, you are EXCLUDED.

For example, there are arguments that Children of IAS officers are the ones who will get the quota. This is one of the most stupid sentences I have heard this century. And arguments like this are enough proof to say that those opposing the reservations do that even wihout knowing the realities and are being (mis)guided by vested interests. I invite your kind attention to NCBC Website . You please see the details for yourselves....

For those who are not accustomed with the Classes that are seen in the above link..

Class I often includes- District Level Officers, Director, Secretary, Collector, Joint Director, Deputy Director, Dean, Supdt of Police etc
Class II - Tahsildhar, ASP, Medical Officers, Head Masters, Bank Managers, Administrative Officers, Office Superindents,

In reality, by a time a bank employee's son/daughter comes to colleges, he puts in 20 years of service and will be in Class II or Class I depends on where he joined. So children of teachers, and bank clerks (who dominate in the Exams in Tamil Nadu) cannot compete under OBC quota and instead have to come under OC only.

This is advantageous in two fold
1. It gives a level play ground
2. It makes sure that the person who competes under OBC is a genuine down trodden candidate, the son of a peon or the son of the hospital worker or the daughter of a driver or the daughter of a farmer

When we have such a comprehensive system, I don't think that there are enough causes for apprehension

Caste and Community are different

AS PER THE EXISTING RULES Caste will be same, but community may differ based on the following
1. Income
2. District
3. Religion

For example, Take my Caste, Paravar (fisherman) in Tamil Nadu.

We are classified as Most Back ward Community is few districts like Thoothukudi, where a majority (but not every family) are well off and as Scheduled Castes in Kanyakumari district where majority (and not all) go for fishing or work as manual labourers.

And when the member of Paravar converts to any religion other than Hindu, he ceases to be a SC (Community changes, but caste will not change)

In the same way

Mr.Muthu is a SC if he is in Kanyakumari
Mr.Muthu is a OBC if he is in Thoothukudi
Mr.Muthu has to compete under OC if his family income crosses 2.5 lakhs per annum

When there are clear cut criterias like I wonder as to how many people still say that the definition for Backwardness is not clear etc etc

Of course, it may not be 100 % perfect (for that you need to take a lot of criteria), but the present system is at least 10 times more clear than what many people think. But to appreciate that you have to think with Open Mind.
But I don't think that there are enough people with Open Mind. For example, Sujai reports in his blog that

A lady asked why we are bent on polluting esteemed institutions like IITs and IIMs. It is rather unfortunate that she should use words like ‘pollute’. This is the exact mindset we are trying to fight in this country through imposition of reservations.


2 Comments:
  • At 11:51 PM, Dr Darwin said…

    Dr Bruno, I feel intelligent people look at the same data and come to entirely different conclusions. But what appalled me about the reservation debate was that some of comments and rhetoric are bigoted. Many of these ignoramus anti-reservationists believe that backward castes in India are less intelligent.

    Please see my comments about rediff message boards

  • At 5:26 AM, Doctor Bruno said…

    Yes... It is the same way with Rediff...

    If they write an article praising Sachin (usually by Prem Panicker0, then all the comments that will appear will be praising Sachin

    If the article criticises sachin, then every one who comments will ask Sachin to retire

    And Rediff was the main reason why every one out of Tamil nadu thought that ADMK is going to win the elections this year

A doctor as Health Minister...

.... leads by example



Rediff reports

Union Health Minister Anbumani Ramadoss, who is a doctor, examined patients at the All India Institute of Medical Sciences in New Delhi on Wednesday and warned protesting medicos to end their strike or face termination of service.

The minister walked into the OPD at AIIMS around 9.30 am and examined the patients for about 30 minutes as a "symbolic gesture".

Racist reason to choose Medical Colleges for Strike

At last the selfish, fanatic doctors of Delhi have decided to call of the strike. Supreme Court came to the protection of hapless poor patients of Delhi as the fanatic Private Doctors too were telling that they too will join the strike.

Now I have question. Can any one answer this

This is a matter that is not specific to medicos alone. It is a common law (or regulation) for all Courses, all colleges, all institutions, all jobs, all......

What did the Medicos achieve by going on strike affecting the poor patients.
Why did not the Forward Caste employees of other department come on a strike......

The only plausible answer is that, the rich and powerful Forward Caste in dependant on other services, where as it is the backward community and SC who are dependant on Govt Hospitals... For example...They need postal service to post letter, telephone services to send (HATE) SMS, Media to cover the (partisan) demands, bank to save what they earn by supressing others, but if they fall ill, they have the private hospitals, where as only the poor and downtrodden backward caste and SC are dependant on Govt Hospitals

They choose their strike in such a way that does not affect the forward caste, but only affects the BC and SC..... How racist !!!!!

We allowed and we denied

Sujai Karampuri, in his blog I aplogise says

For thousands of years, we have denied you access to religious places, our village wells, and our schools.
Well..... As I thought more about it, I found that we allowed more than what we denied... In fact we have denied only one aspect and have allowed other aspects

We allowed you to break a big rock... we did not deny you then...
We allowed you to carry those stones... we did not deny you then...
We allowed you to build temples... we did not deny you then...
We allowed you to climb the top gopuram and carve statues... we did not deny you then...
We allowed you to cut woods... we did not deny you then...
We allowed you to make doors and windows... we did not deny you then...
We allowed you to dig iron and gold... we did not deny you then...
We allowed you to dig make locks and jewels... we did not deny you then...
We allowed you to cultivate cotton and silk... we did not deny you then...
We allowed you to stitch clothes... we did not deny you then...
But when you wanted to worship the GOD.... We denied you the chance to stand in the temple....
Instead you are not allowed to enter the temple as the "sanctum" will go.....

The God is made up of the stone you broke and made, the doors are made up of the trees you cut and carved, the deity wears a dress you cultivated and stitched.... but alas the god cannot hear prayers in your languages or have you inside the temple..for the simple reason that the laws were made by us.....
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Even we allowed you to dig the well, we did not deny you the chance to dig the well and let some of you die due to soil carving in..... but we did not allow you to drink
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School..... (if i repeat you are going to get bored)

Proof for efficacy of Reservations

A lot of people, for example, one fellow blogger, have some basic doubts regading reservation. Here is the answer

1. What are the communities that have benifitted from reservation ?

BC, MBC, SC and ST. It is so simple. If you want the list of the castes, Give me your mail Address and I will send a PDF File

2. How many of those entering colleges through reservation have parents who are well off ??

What is the criteria for "well off"... While there are strict criteria for Caste, (that is I can tell you who is a OBC and who is a SC) I am not able to tell well off....

What is the income you fix. A person earning 5000 per month in a village is well off where as some one earning Rs 5000 permonth can not be well off in Mumbai.

Please clarify.

Any way, roughly,

of the 50 students from BC and MBC in MBBS , if you see the parent's occupation

20 - teachers
10 - clerical grade (bank, state govt)
10 - Business (small shops)
05 - Agricultural labourers
05 - doctors, gazetted officers

On the other hand, if you see 50 students from Arts College or Engineering College, or 50 new recruits for a clerical or teacher job, it will be

05 - Teachers
05 - Clerical grade (bank, state govt)
15 - Business (small shops)
24 - Agricultural labourers
01 - Doctors, Gazetted officers

This 24 from the Agri community, become clerks and teachers and their chilren will get into the Open Competetion in the next generation

3. How many of them are first degree holders in their families ?

15 /50 - In Medical College
40 / 50 - In arts colleges or in Govt Jobs

3. What is the average marks/grades of reserved and gen categ students(in college ) ?? What are the drop out rates ?? Have these numbers changed over the years?

Good Question

In 1996, the cut off (MBBS Admission ) was

OC - 294
BC - 289
MBC - 283
SC - 269

In 2005, the cut off was

OC - 297
BC - 295
MBC - 294
SC - 291

What are the drop out rates ??
Was 5 percent in MBBS some 20 years ago
From my batch (1996) till 2000 batch, the drop out is ZERO

Have these numbers changed over the years?
Yes... The drop out will be Zero after ONE GENERATION of Reservations for two reasons
1. The parents will be able to guide the children in a proper way
2. When the teachers are not racists or fanatics, there will be no targetting of children from weaker sections and they will be encouraged. On the other hands, when you have apartheid nepotists as teachers, they will give the toughest assignments to SC/OBC students and make them fail

4. What is the rural/urban distribution amongst those coming through reservations ??

MBBS
30 rural
20 urban

BA, BSc, and for Job Recruitments (clerks, teachers)

40 rural
10 urban

5. What is the rate at which reservations bring about social change ?? Quite clearly , the case of BCs is radically different from SC/STs. There is indeed a marked difference in the admission dynamics of today's TN.

It will take 1 generation. For example, the present difference of 2 % between OC cut off and SC cut of is possible in Tamil Nadu because JOB reservations have been here for over one generartion.

Quite clearly , the case of BCs is radically different from SC/STs.

In tamil Nadu only... I don't think that it is the same criteria in other states as well.,..... If the BCs are on par with FCs, then you will not have the kind of coverage you see in Rediff and CNN-IBN

BCs and MBCs came up because of the Education drive initiated in this state 40 years ago..... by the MID DAY MEAL PROGRAM. (please check this link to know more http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mid-day_meals)

What happened in Tamil nadu is quite simple........

The then chief minister Kamarajar made the children from backward communities to study in the schools.... by providing free meals.... and scholarships and jobs

Thus came a generation of teachers and clerks in the 70s and 80s from these communities . The children of those people (teachers and clerks and other educated people) are able to compete with the forward class students.....

So We can safely conclude that reservation has UPLIFTED the down trodden........

THe students who are able to compete with the Forward Caste ARE NOT the ones from the villages (they come in only through Quota) but the sons of clerks and teachers, who became clerks and teachers because of reservation one generation ago.

So if you introduce OBC Quota in IIM today, not all seats are going to be filled by the farmers. But after 30 years, you can be well sure that a farmer family will get seats in IIT and IIM wihout compromising Merit. But for that you need reservations today

6. How many communties have come up and said "Thanks, we have had a lot..we could do with lesser % of reservation" ??

A "community" cannot say this. For this you have to exclude the individual from the Quota and for this there are various formulae told now. They cannot be implemented now, but only after 20 years. We have to forcefully remove the INDIVIDUALS from the list as and when one completes his education or gets his job. ANd for that you have to first give reservations

Tuesday, May 30, 2006

69 % reservation in Tamil Nadu

A lot of people, for example, one fellow blogger, are not able to understand as to how Tamil Nadu implements 69 % reservation without actually affecting the Open Quota for 50 %

Hence I thought I will explain the very simple mechanism.

Merit list is prepared in the usual way. Click here for the TNPSC 2003 Merit List which we will use as an example to know the details

Now you see Ranks 1 to 533 and there are various columns. Please concentrate on Rank and Community Rank (W Rank means Rank in Women's Quota and WC Rank means Rank in Women's community Quota - Tamil Nadu has 33 % reservation for women, and if you don't know the intricacies of rotation roster which is followed in TNPSC you will be confused a lot)

Apart from Women's Quota of 33 % (that comes inside each of the community), the reservation followed is

Open Competition - 31
Backward Community - 30
Most Backward Community - 20
Scheduled Caste - 18 (This is 15 % in Central Government)
Scheduled Tribe - 1 ((This is 7.5 % in Central Government)

Now assume that they need to select 100 candidates.

They select Candidates from Rank 1 to 31 . So far there is NO problem.

Then they select candidates in General Turn (Open Competetion) from Rank 32 to 50 and in this case you have just three candidates (Ranks 36, 40 and 45) and they deduct these seats from the BC and MBC Quota in the normal ratio of 3:2 and in this case they will deduct 2 seats from BC and one seat from MBC

That is they will select only 28 instead of the 30 marked for BC and 19 instead of 20 for the MBC.

If you see again, 22 persons from BC and 4 persons from MBC and 1 person from SC have been already selected Under open Competetion along with (4 candidates from Forward Community)

So the candidates who are in Rank 23 to 50 (28) in the BC Rank List and those who are in Rank 5 to 23 (19) in the MBC list and those in the Rank 2 to 19 (18) in the SC list and the first ranking ST Candidate will be selected to make up 100 seats.

Now if you see, they have not ADDED seats (which need AICTE and MCI permission) and if a candidate from Forward Community manages to come within the top 50 % he will be selected.

Now why this is successful in Tamil Nadu is for the simple reason that Forward Community get less than 10 % of Seats in Open Community in Tamil Nadu.


In the 2005 MBBS Admissions, out of 430 seats in Open Competition

Open Seats - 430 (31 %)

321 BC students,
57 MBC students
14 SC students will get into the open competition.
38 Forward Community

So in the next 264 ranks (19%) there will be just (on an average) 23 candidates and they will cancel 14 seats from BC quota and 9 seats MBC Quota and allot the seats. The truth is that the actual reservation is not exactly 69 %... It will be some 65 % but as far as no one from BC complains, the system will go on. The reservation may get down to 50 % if forward caste candidates are able to score the top ranks.

The forward caste cannot complain for the simple reason that the 50% seats are not affected and MCI and AICTE don't care as more students are not enrolled.

3 Comments:

  • At 4:59 AM, chella said…

    thought of to tell the same. Can I reproduce portions or full with your credentials?

  • At 6:51 AM, Doctor Bruno said…

    You can reproduce full....

    No need of credentials (as I told you)

  • At 2:49 AM, SORIYAN said…

    This post has been removed by a blog administrator.

Answers to IIT Professors

I was taken aback when I heard that a few Professors can go to such level as to exhibit their fanatic racism, and that too write to the Prime Minister about that

Badri Seshadhri, an alumnus if IIT Chennai gives a detailed answer to each of the point raised at bseshadri.blogspot.com and tears apart the foolish claims.

Any how one point that caught my attention was

Further, with no objective criteria yet laid down for defining backwardness, such privileges will seemingly be granted in perpetuity.

How can a person from IIT be so dump. There are clear cut criteria for determination of the community of a caste and that depends on the religion, and district of nativity. Don't the IIT professors know this. I wonder how they can be so shameless to write such a big factually wrong statement to President.

Don't they ever care to verify what they write. Is this the way they teach, without verifying facts. In this context, I hope that the president and Prime Minister can very well take this as a golden oppurtunity to clean the institute of these stupids who don't verify what they write and are not even ashamed to release such a crap of letter to press.

Even without knowing that there are well defined criterias for giving a community certificate, they oppose caste based reservations. And by this they exhibit few things

1. That they have a habit of giving wrong information
2. That they never care to verify what they write
3. That they are not fit to be teachers

Saturday, May 27, 2006

Self Immolation

From NDTV

A student attempted self-immolation at the Ramlila grounds in New Delhi at a rally held in protest against reservations.

ஆரம்பிச்சிடாங்கயா....ஆரம்பிச்சிடாங்கயா....

Bausch & Lomb India withdraws ReNu MoistureLoc contact lens cleaner

From http://sify.com/finance/fullstory.php?id=14206153

Following the withdrawal of ReNu MoistureLoc contact lens cleaner from other markets in the world, the manufacturer of the solution, Bausch & Lomb, has decided the withdraw the product from the Indian market too.

The company announced that it is permanently removing its MoistureLoc contact lens solution (both imported and locally manufactured) with immediate effect. Bausch & Lomb has been removing its ReNu MoistureLoc from all markets around the world, saying the solution's formula may increase the risk of a potentially blinding infection.

Early in March, Bausch & Lomb received a troubling phone call from a New Jersey eye doctor. Dr. David S. Chu, a specialist in cornea diseases, alerted the company that three of his recent patients had been afflicted with a microbe that caused a potentially blinding eye infection. Bausch, for example, quickly confirmed that Dr. Chu's patients had been infected by Fusarium fungi, the same microbes causing a bewildering outbreak of infections among customers in Hong Kong and Singapore. But Dr. Chu, not the company, was the first to report the American cases to federal health authorities.

Now that Bausch has withdrawn MoistureLoc, a $100-million-a-year product, from global markets, it is stepping up efforts to persuade lens wearers to use an older ReNu version, MultiPlus.

"You can be confident using this proven product," Ronald L. Zarrella, Bausch's chairman and chief executive, has been assuring lens users in a new television advertising campaign for ReNu MultiPlus.

Students should be taught the correct history....

...says Sujai Karampuri at five wonderful posts, at his blog.

And this was a very interesting line



No wonder, many Indians go to US with the same discriminatory prejudices and never get the learning or schooling to change their views. (Readers must know that Indians living in US are more discriminatory towards Blacks than the Whites.)

emphasis mine

The truth about Merit in AIIMS

Please read an interesting article from Times of India

Striking AIIMS docs live in a glass house by Akshaya Mukul
[ Tuesday, May 23, 2006 01:55:32 amTIMES NEWS NETWORK ]

NEW DELHI: The main grouse of AIIMS students - at the forefront of the stir against 27% reservation for OBCs - is that merit is being sacrificed at the altar of votebank politics. But they forget two things: 25% reservation that AIIMS graduates get in PG admission and the Supreme Court judgment of 2001 that declares the earlier system of 33% reservation for them bad in law.

In fact, the SC, while stating that 33% institutional reservation is "unconstitutional", agreed with the findings of the Delhi High Court, which had earlier set aside the reservation.

The HC had found that "AIIMS students, who had secured as low as 14% or 19% or 22% in the (all-India) entrance examination got admission to PG courses while SC or ST candidates could not secure admission in their 15% or 7% quota in PG courses, in spite of having obtained marks far higher than the in-house candidates of the institute." HC had analysed admission data over five years.

The apex court also agreed with the HC that the "figure of 33% reservation for in-house candidates was statistically so arrived at as to secure 100% reservation for AIIMS students. There were about 40 AIIMS candidates. The PG seats being 120, 33% thereof worked out to be 40." That meant all 40 AIIMS graduates were assured of PG seats.

Merit here was clearly being sacrificed, the study showed. For instance, in the January 1996 session, an AIIMS student with 46.167% marks - lowest for an AIIMS student that year - got PG admission.

However, an SC student with the same grades was admitted but denied coveted course such as obstetrics and gynaecology. The SC student got shunted to community while AIIMS students easily won berths in prestigious disciplines.

Twelve AIIMS candidates were selected even though they got less marks than the SC candidate who secured 60.33% marks. Similarly, 16 AIIMS students got admission to PG courses even though they got less marks than another ST student who got 62.16%.

Basing itself on this study, SC said, "Institutional reservation is not supported by the Constitution or constitutional principles." "A certain degree of preference for students of the same institution intended to prosecute further studies therein is permissible on grounds of convenience, suitability and familiarity with an educational environment," it added.

Preferences, the court said, had to be "reasonable and not excessive...Minimum standards cannot be so diluted as to become practically non-existent." In the similar vein, SC said, "It cannot be forgotten that the medical graduates of AIIMS are not 'sons of soil'. They are drawn from all over the country."

The court reasoned that these students had "no moorings in Delhi. They are neither backward nor weaker sections of society. Their achieving an all-India merit and entry in the premier institution of national importance should not bring in a brooding sense of complacence in them".

Extending the damning logic, the court said in preserving quotas for its own students, "the zeal for preserving excellence is lost. The students lose craving for learning."


12 Comments:
  • At 12:02 AM, sagardhingra said…

    . sagar dhingra - May 29, 2006
    guys,

    i personally think that rather than making an RDB remake or killing a politician, the matter should be dealt in a different way.

    I think all the educated in india should form an alliance like these shameless ministers do, make an educated party alliance. EPA

    Ask for the vote and support for only the educated in India.

    Atleast the educated would vote you. we guys don’t go for voting, that’s the reason our demands are not been listened by anyone.

    the striking doctors should form a political alliance, you guys are only so much into media now, and you have got public sympathy. the educated, the doctors, middle class, and atleast the family and friends of poor general category would vote for you.

    say openly, we don’t need vote for uneducated and SC/BC. but all we need is vote of everyone in the country who thinks there is a need of change.

    ask them to caste vote to you, be popular, ask for other political parties to join you and tumble this UPA governement.

    If you need a support, if you need a person to stand up and speak in front of media and a politician, you can call me always.

    Let’s not shed blood, but make this country a world best country.

    let all the MBA’s, CA’s, Doctors, Journalist’s, Scientist’s and Biotechnologist’s combine and join their hands together. call everyone, call everyone, even the average Joe Scott working in a call center in Gurgaon.

    Imagine, a political party where everyone is educated, a country where all the politician is educated and motivated towards upliftment of society.

    this step would shake the politicians to their core and would make them go bending down to their knees, to save their scared asses.

    many industrialists and ministers too, would support and fund your cause, once you ask for funding crores from india would pour to support your cause, since everyone would see you as future ministers.

    wake up guys, do something.

    regards

    sagar dhingra

  • At 2:58 AM, bumbledoor said…

    hey u should also be knowing that the quota you are talking about has been quashed by the honourable SC as per its judgement in 2001. even though i am a student from AIIMS i got my PG through General Category. Not only me but 7 others of my batch (out of 34 open cat candidates 20 appeared for entrance)secured seats in the general category. i have never supported this reservation which was challenged in the supreme court. Infact there shouldn't be any reservation of any kind in this abode of excellence. i think u should also mention about candidates from category getting through with single digit marks in state exams.

  • At 7:05 AM, Doctor Bruno said…

    WHich State me dear friend.... Please come to reality... Gone are those days....

    In Tamil Nadu OC Cut off for MBBS is 98.75 % where as SC Cut off is 97 %

    The only places where Candidates with single digit mark get seats are

    1. Institute Quota
    2. NRI Seats
    3. Payment seats
    4. Sponsored seats

    And the Delhi Doctors who call themselves as guardian of merit (while in fact guarding some thing else) do not care a bit about these seats while they are fighting tooth and nail against Caste Based reservation

  • At 11:01 PM, bumbledoor said…

    Which Management Quota are you talking about? This is an ugly practice which is limited to private unaided colleges which are out there only for profiteering.I condemn that practice unless the funds generated in that manner are used to subsidise the education for the deserving but economically disadvantaged.Moreover, even the best institutes of the world like Harvard and John Hopkins have "paid seats" but they plough the money earned back into the system to finance research and scholarships. Unless Indian institutions also start doing the same payment seats will remain a strict "no-no" for us.
    For your kind information we have only foreigner and Sponsored Quota at AIIMS and all other central government institutes. Students are admitted under the Foreign quota to honour the committments for student exchange that the government has made to various nations as part of international agreements. Our government has little say in choosing these foreigners as the students are selected for the courses by the foreign nations observing their own procedures. The sponsored quota candidates are selected by the provincial governments and sent to AIIMS because these states are lacking the proper facilities for superspecialty training. These sponsored and foreign candiadtes are bound by contract to serve in their native places for a few years after training.
    single digit marks and four digit rankings are now encountered only in SC/ST merit list that you can access here-
    http://www.aiims.edu/aiims/events/result/aiimspg-jul06.htm.
    The AIIMS PG entrance examinations are open to all MBBS graduates without exception including the extremely comptetive and bright SC/ST candidates from Tamil Nadu.
    Moreover if they are so exemplary and meritorious students what is the need for reservation for them? Let them prove their might in a level playing field.

    Exams are the great leveller.

    Besides, if more than 80% of the population is availing reservations in Tamil Nadu,( I hear that out of 1200 MBBS seats only 24 are in the open category)I think there is nobody left to compete against in the unreserved category.

  • At 5:41 AM, Doctor Bruno said…

    Some racist fanatics with vested interests are spreading a lot of rumour making innocent guys like you have a falkse impression about reservations and it is a pity that even intelligent people fall prey to that

    One such example is the
    //I hear that out of 1200 MBBS seats only 24 are in the open category//

    In 2005 the number of Open seats were 430 out of nearly 1100 seats.

    In addition to this, candidates belonging to Forward Caste who come in the NEXT 19 % Ranks are also given admission so that in effect, the reservations are for 50 % only

    if you don't understand the above sentence.

    That is if there are 100 seats, Rank 1 to 31 is given a seat.

    Then, FOrward Community students who are in Rank 32 to 50 aer given the seat. That means, FORWARD COMMUNITY DO NOT LOOSE ANYTHING BY THE RESERVATION crossing 50 %

  • At 9:20 AM, bumbledoor said…

    Thanks for correcting my impression about reservations for MBBS seats in Tamil nadu. But,its likely that you haven't gone through the merit list that I have linked in my previous post. Whats your take on the question that I have posed there. Why don't the SC/ST students perform here, if they are as good as you claim? after all they study in the same medical colleges, under the same teachers using the same facilities as their more "privileged" counterparts. I am not a upper caste chauvinist as you might be thinking. Most of my friends in undergraduation were from the reserved category. I never saw anybody practice any kind of discrimination
    against them. Still, they demand reservations at post-graduate level.
    WHY? I hope you can answer me. I open to all rational explanations.

  • At 11:13 AM, Doctor Bruno said…

    For example, Sujai reports in his blog http://sujaiblog.blogspot.com/2006/05/reservations-x-visit-to-iisc.html that

    A lady asked why we are bent on polluting esteemed institutions like IITs and IIMs. It is rather unfortunate that she should use words like ‘pollute’. This is the exact mindset we are trying to fight in this country through imposition of reservations.

    And you say that there is NO discrimination......

    How can I comment....

    For your information, we can never hear such comments in Tamil Nadu in Cities.....

    Where as the above comment was told by some one in an Elite Institution and that speaks of the discrimination and systemic targeting of SC Students by the (few) forward caste faculty

  • At 11:50 AM, Doctor Bruno said…

    For example, Sujai reports in his blog http://sujaiblog.blogspot.com/2006/05/reservations-x-visit-to-iisc.html that

    A lady asked why we are bent on polluting esteemed institutions like IITs and IIMs. It is rather unfortunate that she should use words like ‘pollute’. This is the exact mindset we are trying to fight in this country through imposition of reservations.

    And you say that there is NO discrimination......

    How can I comment....

    For your information, we can never hear such comments in Tamil Nadu in Cities.....

    Where as the above comment was told by some one in an Elite Institution and that speaks of the discrimination and systemic targeting of SC Students by the (few) forward caste faculty

  • At 8:57 PM, bumbledoor said…

    I condemn such casteist and chauvinistic comments. But sitting in the one of the best medical colleges in the country which is next door to IIT Delhi, I can confidently claim that there is no discrimination of any kind practised in AIIMS against SC/ST students. since you are relying on anecdotal evidence then you might as well consider my impression too.

  • At 7:13 AM, Doctor Bruno said…

    Well.... Then why do AIIMS doctors say in CNN IBN that "Are the politicians ready to be treated by Reserved Doctors"

    They never said "Are the politicians ready to be treated by the person with low marks who got PG seat by Institutional Quota"

    The faculty of AIIMS never went on Mass CL protesting against Institutional Quota (once 33% and then 25 %)

    They never protested against NRI Seat

    They never protested against Sponsored Seat

    But they go on Mass CL saying that Merit is diluted

    THis is discrimination... How can you refuse it.

    You should know that I have very firm comments against reservations in PG (See my other posts). I was one who first started the opposition against Reservations in All India PG....

    I was a silent spectator in teh saga for two weeks. But what made me come out in favour of reservations (for the time being) is when I learnt the high handed attitude of Delhi doctors and the racist people in IMA. TO the best of my knowledge IMA never went on Strike against private colleges. But why then against Caste Based Quota at the same time advocating Economy Quota. It is all because of the deep seat bias against SC/OBC in the MINDS of the upper class doctors in northern states.

  • At 6:26 PM, Doctor Bruno said…

    No discrimination... You must be joiking or ignorant and I believe that it is ignorance....

    You need to watch CNN IBN for 10 minutes to see the state of affairs in Delhi...

    http://www.hindu.com/2006/06/03/stories/2006060301841000.htm

    “In 1999… from University College of Medical Sciences (UCMS)… the Scheduled Caste students were confined to two floors and not assigned rooms elsewhere…In the dining hall, they were forced by the forward caste majority to sit together at one end… would be abused ‘Bloody shaddu’…”

    There are a lot of more stories....

    What was the song sung by the Delhi racists.... "You go to your work" or soemthing like that

    Do you mean to say that Education is the "work" of Upper Castes

  • At 6:27 PM, Doctor Bruno said…

    No discrimination... You must be joiking or ignorant and I believe that it is ignorance....

    You need to watch CNN IBN for 10 minutes to see the state of affairs in Delhi...

    http://www.hindu.com/2006/06/03/stories/2006060301841000.htm

    “In 1999… from University College of Medical Sciences (UCMS)… the Scheduled Caste students were confined to two floors and not assigned rooms elsewhere…In the dining hall, they were forced by the forward caste majority to sit together at one end… would be abused ‘Bloody shaddu’…”

    There are a lot of more stories....

    What was the song sung by the Delhi racists.... warning OBCs and others to ‘remember their place’ (‘apni aukat mein rahio’)....or soemthing like that

    Do you mean to say that Education is the "place" of Upper Castes

Idiotic Arguments

Read an interesting post at Mom Knows Everything! where the author very well explains as to why the common arguments put forth by the anti-quota (I am sorry !! they are now not anti quota - they want quota, but for them - so call them anti reservation) guys are downright stupid and funny

The 25 Worst Tech Products of All Time

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Friday, May 26, 2006

New Definition of Merit by Delhi Doctors

The ugly side of few perverted minds in Delhi

For nearly two weeks few filth in the capital were shouting that Merit is going to be compromised due to reservations. All the while, we had been giving clearcut evidence as to show that Merit will be NO WAY affected due to reservations and that reservations are going to uplift the society as a whole.

Now the cat is out of the bag.

As per Rediff a guy called Armaan says

“ We prefer reservation for people who deserve it. It's not that we don't have a conscience. We do care for the poor, those who really need help. We should have reservation on the basis of economy.”

So, at last as we have been telling all these days, these depraved guys never bothered about Merit. Merit was just an excuse for Apartheid. I would like to know the reaction of all those who were crying in the name of Merit (including two self-centered caste-centered nepotistic chaps who resigned from the knowledge commission in the name of merit) as to the new shift in demand by the Doctors that they are ready for Quota based on Economy, but not for quota based on Caste.

For those who do not know the difference, let me explain

Now if seats are reserved on the basis of caste, let us assume that a Student from FC will get the seat if he scores 297 out of 300 where as a student from SC will get the seat even if he scores 291 out of 300 (these are the cut off values from MBBS Admission in Tamil Nadu in 2005)

So far the apartheid guys were shouting loud that merit will be affected. There were even remarks from few of those “intelligent” chaps that a guy who scored 292 (SC guy who has got seat) is less talented (or less meritorious – let me repeat the word play) than the forward caste guy who scored 296 (and there fore cannot get the seat as the OC cut off is 297)

But now they WANT QUOTA ON ECONOMY. So they have no problem when a poor guy with mark 292 gets the seat while a rich guy with mark 296 does not get the seat. And strangely, in this case, (according to these doctors and also a person called Narayana moorthy, for whom I had great regard, until he too advised economy based quota) the merit is not affected when quota is based on economy.

Now I am not able to understand this……

If the earlier claim that merit is going to be affected by reservation based on caste is true, then merit is going to be affected if the quota is based on economy or for that matter any other reason like the state of domicile (Delhi – 100 percent reservation for Delhi Undergraduates) , Religion (eg Andhra Pradesh) , college graduated (eg JIPMER)

So a person whose primary aim is preservation of merit should NOT ALLOW ANY QUOTA.

But See the Delhi Doctors.

They have gone on Mass CL today. They do not want a SC student getting 292 marks get MBBS. But they were silent when Private colleges were started that made any person, even those who passed 12th after 3 attempts get MBBS. What were they doing when the private colleges were opened? They did not even give a sign of protest. Do those AIIMS guys think that we all are fools to believe that they are crusading for merit at present? What were they doing for those sponsored seats and NRI quotas

They have no problem when some one gets MBBS from Private College even though he gets 50 marks in 12th. They never fought. It was Tamil Nadu students who had always fought against the private medical colleges

They have no problem of a student getting low marks in PG entrance in AIIMS, but getting MD Gen just because he studied MBBS there. At that juncture they never represented to PM or President

And as per the latest statement, they have no problem if a poor guy who gets 292 marks become a doctor while a rich guy who gets 296 has to watch

BUT THEY ARE WORRIED when a SC Guy (or a OBC Guy) who takes 292 marks get admission instead of a Forward Community guy who gets 296.

SO in effect, all these hullabaloo over the past two weeks were not against reservations. It is in fact against the students from the reserved community.

They were not fighting for merit as they were claiming (we already knew that merit is a mask) They fight to maintain apartheid

And see this report in Economic times by Urmi Goswamy from Delhi

(as per http://thoughtsintamil.blogspot.com/2006/05/blog-post_23.html) that sums up the issue

PRIVATE schools and parents worried about their children studying along side children belonging to weaker sections can breathe easy. The government proposes to let them off the reservation hook. The model Right to Education Bill proposes that private schools that receive no funds from the government will not be required to take children from weaker sections. The Model Bill will form the basis of states' legislation to enable the fundamental right of education.

SO there are guys in Delhi who cannot breathe easy when a student from weaker society studies along with his children. Their main worry seems to be the community of the student who studies along with them and not the marks of the students who studies in the college. God Save India !!!

Monday, May 22, 2006

Battle to be fought in the minds

I came across a very comprehensive blog on the issues of reservations at The Other India which I am linking

8 Comments:

  • At 6:24 AM, maverick said…

    Its true that there are many backward castes. It's also true that the reason they remain backward is due to their inaccessibility to good education. But, what is wrong is the notion that reservation in higher eductaion will solve the problem.
    Those who clamour for reservation are not aware of the ground realities. Ask any student who has got into an institute through quotas. He/she will say that to cope with the currixulum was difficult. Why? Because of lack of fluency in english, because of lack of a good foundation in studies, because of the disciminating attitude of fellow students and because of his/her own consciousness that he/she is not good enough. Believe it or not, but i have myself seen it. And what is the fault of the students in this? Nothing..the culprit is the poor primary education. Just compare a government school and any english medium school. The comparison speaks for itself. There is no substitute for a good, sound primary eductaion because thatis real phase of learning- mentally too. Say as you might, pro-reservation agitators just wouldnt accept it. All they want is admission to a good college. What happens after that is not their concern.

    The anti- reservation agitators may or may not be supporting social equality. But i feel they are just doing the right thing not necessarily with the right feelings. That quotas have not served the right purpose is undeniable

  • At 7:47 AM, Doctor Bruno said…

    //But, what is wrong is the notion that reservation in higher eductaion will solve the problem. //

    It has already solved most of the problem in Tamil Nadu where it has been implemented. Did you not read the other posts.

    //He/she will say that to cope with the currixulum was difficult. Why? Because of lack of fluency in english, because of lack of a good foundation in studies, because of the disciminating attitude of fellow students and because of his/her own consciousness that he/she is not good enough.//
    It is not at all like this in Tamil Nadu where we have quotas. Your points are based on a few cases. In Tamil Nadu medical colleges, Medals and Best Out going awards are mostly won by Students of all communities and tamil medium.

    let me give you a break up

    Best Out Going Student
    1994 - MBC
    1995 - BC
    1996 - BC
    1997 - BC

    The person who got PG in first attempt from my batch (96) was SC.

    I can tell very clearly that Medium and Village never played a part after the second year. It is because those students were also meritorius and the small difference in mark was due to lack of facilities, parental guidance and awareness in Back ward community

  • At 7:48 AM, Doctor Bruno said…

    //Because of lack of fluency in english, because of lack of a good foundation in studies,//

    These are not the student's fault.... But because of this they suffer and to prevent that we need reservations... Is it clear for you now

  • At 7:49 AM, Doctor Bruno said…

    //That quotas have not served the right purpose is undeniable//

    I deny that
    Please see here http://www.nellaimedicos.com/blog/bruno/2005/07/merit-list-that-shows-merit.html

    The Merit List for Admission to Medical Colleges in Tamil
    Nadu gives and Interesting point

    Read the full piece here at
    http://www.hindu.com/2005/07/20/stories/2005072011970100.htm


    Open Seats - 430

    321 BC students,
    57 MBC students
    14 SC students will get into the open competition.
    38 Forward Community

    This literally means that students from BC and MBC score well than the Forward Community Counterparts

    This also means that the students from the so called forward community are able to get LESS THAN 10 percent of seats available......

    That is if 430 seats are available forward community gets 38

    If 100 seats are available Forward Community will get 9 seats (38*100/430)

    If 81 seats are available Forward Community will get 8 seats (38*85/430)

    So WHEN 100 seats are available

    WITHOUT RESERVATION
    FOrward Community will get 9 seats

    WITH 18 % reservation for SC and 1 % reservation for ST
    Forward Community is getting 8 seats

    That means, reservation is giving JUST ONE OUT OF THE 100 Seats from Forward Community to the SC and ST

    Why then there is such a huge cry against Reservation ??

  • At 7:49 AM, Doctor Bruno said…

    How is this possible in Tamil Nadu ????? ie students from backward communities outshine those from forward communities

    2 Answers for this question

    1. Periyar
    2. Kamarajar

    Doctors from Forward Communities cannot get seats BECAUSE THE STUDENTS FROM THE "BACKWARD" COMMUNITIES PREFORM BETTER THAN THE STUDENTS FROM THE "FORWARD" COMMUNITY

    Now if you want to know how is this possible in Tamil Nadu and not (at present) in most other states ......

    It is because Of two significant events in the history of Tamil Nadu that changed the socio - economico - political nature of this land

    1. Entry into Vaikkam Temple by Periyar
    2. Noon Meal by Kamarajar http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mid-day_meals

    If backward communities are performing better than the forward communities,can we really call them backward any longer



    Yeah... The back ward communities are faring better....... Can you guess the reason......

    It was because of the Education drive initiated in this state 40 years ago..... by the MID DAY MEAL PROGRAM. (please check this link to know more http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mid-day_meals)

    What happened in Tamil nadu is quite simple........

    The then chief minister Kamarajar made the children from backward communities to study in the schools.... by providing free meals.... and scholarships and jobs

    Thus came a generation of teachers and clerks in the 70s and 80s from these communities . The children of those people (teachers and clerks and other educated people) are able to compete with the forward class students.....

    So We can safely conclude that reservation has UPLIFTED the down trodden........

  • At 7:50 AM, Doctor Bruno said…

    In few years, there will be a scenario where the seats in the open category are grabbed by students in ratio that reflects the general population........ When we reach such a state, That is an indication that there is no forward community and no backward community.....

    For example

    When there are 100 seats if the backward community students are able to take 75 of them and the SC/ST 20 of them and Forward Community 5 of them (5% of population is Forward, 20 % is SC and 75 % is Backward) it is the time to stop reservation

    In that case,is backward community reservation in Tamilnadu really required at all now?


    As of now the backward communities are NOT ON PAR, they are little backward.... May be the situation will come to a level ground in another 5 years.... THen we can think modifying the present policies

    BUT WHAT I HAVE TOLD IS FOR TAMIL NADU ONLY....... This may not hold good for other states because of reasons I have already told

  • At 4:45 PM, Doctor Bruno said…

    //தமிழ் சமத்துவம் said...

    SUCCESS BY DIVIDE AND RULE//

    Most points are irrelevant to this discussion and hence the comment is deleted. Try to limit your comments to the topic on reservation and don't criticise the Dravidian parties as a whole

  • At 6:05 PM, Doctor Bruno said…

    //தமிழ் சமத்துவம் said...

    SUCCESS BY DIVIDE AND RULE//

    Most points are irrelevant to this discussion and hence the comment is deleted. Try to limit your comments to the topic on reservation and don't criticise the Dravidian parties as a whole IN THIS POST

    Your comments (criticism or appreciations) are welcomed on relevant posts

Mentally retarded students in IITs

I am aware that few educational institutions in India have quota for Physically Handicapped. I was not aware that IITs have begun to have a quota for Mentally retarded guys. May be I missed the notification or the policy change. Or is it that IIT environment is seriously detrimental to mental health. If not how can you explain this, taken from Zee News and Times

Reservation row: Group of IIT students want to commit suicide
New Delhi, May 22: A group of students from IIT, Delhi have submitted a memorandum to President seeking permission to commit suicide if reservation to OBCs in elite educational institutions is implemented.

The students handed over the memorandum to the President's Secretariat saying they have no other option left with them if such a legislation giving 27 per cent quota to OBCs in elite educational institutions comes through, said Safal, a Youth for Equality representative.

Bureau Report


2 Comments:
  • At 1:35 AM, anil said…

    hmmm.. bruno , give some valid reasons . this isnt enough .

  • At 5:41 PM, Doctor Bruno said…

    If some one wants to commit suicide to prevent another human being from learning, that is mental retardation.

Waste of time

What will you do if you want to compare two people or articles or drugs or equipments...... You choose two items from a same group and compare

That is

You compare between

Tendulkar and Bradman
Walsh and Wasim Akram
or
Frusemide and Thiazide
Ampicillin and Cefotaxime
or
Ilayaraja and AR Rehman
etc

Similarly if you want to do a study in an education deparment, any one with sense will compare government schools in one state and government schools in another state or Private Schools in One State and Private Schools in Another state

What is your opinion about some one who does a survey wasting time and money and gives a "informationally-compact 45 page report" telling that students of private schools fare better and teachers of govt school are not attending the work all the time. Obviously such a person has a very low IQ and any one who quotes such articles need mental evaluation for few basic reasons

THe reasons

1. The students going to Govt School is different from the guy who goes to private unrecognised school and is different from the guy who goes to Residential school. As such, it will be a very vain and COMPLETELY USELESS and idiotic attempt at comparing these as the USERS are entirely different economic and social strata and will have different priorities. It is like comparing cheese and chalk. For example, if you compare engineering college and medical college and come to a judgement (that the cost per student in engineering college is less than the cost per student in medical college), that shows the mental acumen of the person who did this study. On the other hand, a good study would have been comparing Govt schools across many states and private schools across many states (or Delhi medical colleges vs Maharashtra medical colleges or Orissa Engineering colleges vs Rajasthan Engineering colleges)

The present study is like comparing shaving cream (or may be sanitary napkin) uses between boys and girls and is absolute bull shit

2. Teachers in Private Schools have few work (but more working hours)... They are expected to
a. Teach in the class room
b. Correct Papers

On the other hand teachers of Govt schools are expected to do every nonsense work including voter identification, verification of ration cards and even census. As such, it is very logical that their attendance in classrooms is less than the counterparts in private schools, but it is not the fault of the education department.

I got a mail for a fellow blogger when I said that it is useless to udnertake a study to know that students of private schools fare better that the students of government school. THe reply I got is given below



This was a very idiotic and half-cooked response. I suggest you read the survey, about where it was conducted, and the socio-economic backgrounds of its students. The survey was conducted completely in the slum area and even the private schools were thise attended only by slum kids. And where do "residential schools" come into the picture? They are attended by affluent sections of society whereas this study is only about slum-dwellers.

As for teachers in government schools having other jobs, why the hell should children of the poor be taught by folks who are burdened by other work? Would you send your children to a government school? And there are about two dozen parameters on which schools are compared. Read them all.

Please have enough maturity and perspective to at least read completely what has been linked before sending such a moronic reply making a display of your ignorance and your lack of desire or ability to read completely an informationally-compact 45 page report.

best regards
......


Now my response is very simple.

When I have money i will send my children to private school. If I have no money I will send him to government school. But IF THERE ARE NO GOVERNMENT SCHOOLS AND IF I HAVE NOT MONEY MY CHILD WILL NOT HAVE EDUCATION.

IF there are NO Government schools, then a lot of children will not have any education
IF there are NO UNRECOGNISED Private schools, we may not have incidents like
Kumbakonam

I wonder that a person who claims to have studied in one of the IIM cannot understand this simple logic. No wonder this guy was sacked from his previous job at an MNC

Friday, May 19, 2006

TN Planning Commission reconstituted

Chennai Onlinereports that

Chennai, May 19: Tamil Nadu Chief Minister M Karunanidhi today reconstituted the State Planning Commission, appointing M Naganathan as its Vice-Chairman.

Naganathan was the Professor of Economics in the Madras University. He was the DMK candidate for the Triplicane constituency in the Assembly elections and was defeated.

Other members of the reconstituted commission were former Vice-Chancellor of Bharatiyar University Jagadeesan, Tamilaruvi Mani, Prof E Chidambaram, Prof R Srinivasan, retired IAS officer Lakshmikanthan Bharati, industrialist Karumuttu Kannan and well-known cardiologist Dr Suniti Solomon, a government press release said. (Our Correspondent)

Dr.Solomon is a Cardio thoracic Surgeon MS MCh (A cardiologist's degree is MD DM - Physician)

His wife Suniti Solomon is a Microbiologist, the person who recorded the first AIDS case in India

Tuesday, May 16, 2006

Udit Raj, Chairman, SC/ST Federation

The Rediff Interview/Udit Raj, Chairman, SC/ST Federation

at http://rediff.com/news/2006/may/16inter2.htm

'What more do the upper castes want?'

May 16, 2006

Dr Udit Raj (formerly Ram Raj) is the chairman of the All-India Confederation of the Scheduled Caste/Scheduled Tribe Federations.

In 2001 he embraced Buddhism. "Conversion is a rejection of whatever caste stands for. It is a great walkout from Hinduism," says the man who is now a follower of Dr B R Ambedkar and supports conversion as "a healthy process."

In an interview to Managing Editor (National Affairs) Sheela Bhatt on the current anti-reservation movement favouring reservation for Other Backward Classes, Dr Raj spoke about why reservations are important for Indian society.

How do you see the vigorous protests of medical students against the reservation policy for OBCs?

I don't think it is very vigorous. Few medical students are doing it. In fact the media is helping them.

On May 2 and May 10, we had our agitation which was much more bigger but the media didn't report it or gave little coverage. This shows that the liberal voice in India is shrinking.

Unfortunately, the Indian Medical Association is also going on strike. On May 11 students and IMA protestors disrupted traffic at India Gate, New Delhi. We never do that. We restricted ourselves to the Jantar Mantar area assigned to us by the police.

It seems the doctors want to draw more attention. It shows the protestors' mindset. Medical students were protesting with brooms and trying to say that some (kind of) labour does not have dignity. Every labour has dignity. This is unbecoming of doctors.

If professionals like doctors behave like this it shows they are not interested in academics. The doctors' protest is illegal and against the spirit of the Constitution.

There is a background for their agitation. There is a big change in the law.

In the last winter session, Parliament amended the Constitution. It was the 104th Constitutional amendment where Other Backward Classes have been given reservation in IITs, IIMs and universities.

The 104th Constitution Amendment Bill is dangerous

On August 12, 2005 the Supreme Court delivered its judgment in the case of P A Inamdar & Others versus State of Maharashtra and others that the state can't impose its reservation policy on minority and non-minority unaided private colleges, including professional colleges and medical colleges.

My organisation, the Justice Party of India, Left parties and many others strongly protested at a huge public meeting. It was attended by leaders like (Janata Dal-United leader) Sharad Yadav, (Communist Party of India-Marxist MP) Nilotpal Basu and (Communist Party of India Secretary) D Raja.

We protested that we will not accept the Supreme Court judgment. Later, the 104th Constitution Amendment was brought and passed unanimously by all the political parties except two members who abstained. The OBCs were given 27 per cent reservation but at that time nobody opposed it.

Why didn't the doctors oppose it then?

Because the media is playing a greater role now. When Arjun Singh gave a statement nobody opposed it for a week. But the media started going to campuses for stories and reactions. The media took up the role of agitators in this issue by opposing the government's move and the protests gained momentum before television cameras.

Mandal Redux

In Bangalore more than a lakh supporters of reservation came out on the streets but no television channel reported that. How do you explain it? Dalits and OBCs are coming together and supporting the government that is not taken as news.

What are your arguments for having quota in higher education even for OBCs?

First, wherever reservation is implemented in the southern states it is working well. In Mysore state in 1921, reservations were implemented. In Kolhapur state it was introduced in 1902. In Tamil Nadu reservations are up to 69 per cent but nowhere have you seen a law and order problem.

Two, in Tamil Nadu, the education standards and administration are not compromised. What these students are protesting about is the issue of merit. What is merit? They are talking about something that is achieved with the help of cramming, tutoring, support by public schools and knowledge of English.

India doesn't have to its credit in the international arena any great invention of modern times achieved by students in general categories. They get higher marks to get into big universities. But these big institutions don't think merit should also consist of patriotic feelings, hard work, honesty and a humble aptitude.

For our society these are not element of merit. Not many Dalits or OBCs have the money to fit the current merit criteria.

And just give me one answer: Why are these doctors not opposing the colleges who disregard merit and take money in form of capitation fees?

Why are they not opposed to the NRI quota?

Why are they not opposing those inferior students of private medical colleges who are rich? Is it not affecting the medical profession?

The medical students should call off their strike because it is not in the interest of the nation. The integration of society is more important than any other thing.

Reservation is the method to integrate society; it will take time but have patience.

Facts don't support the argument that it will integrate society.

Till the reservations were given, Dalits in Indian society were totally isolated. They were living on the outskirts of villages and were humiliated. But after reservations they are sitting side by side with the upper castes.

They are now in state assemblies and Parliament only because of reservations. How are you forgetting that? Similarly, the OBCs will gain now. Although it will shrink the privileges of the Dalits for the sake of justice we the Dalits want reservations for OBCs!

Reservation serves the purpose of social harmony.

If quotas are introduced now, eventually there will be reverse discrimination. How will it bring about social harmony?

For long, in many places 70 per cent to 80 per cent seats were open in the general category. The upper castes were using it. Right? Now they have been given 50 per cent of the total seats whereas the upper caste population is just 15 per cent. I think that is good enough. What more do the upper castes want?

It is a good deal that 15 per cent of India's population has 50 per cent of the seats. Do you want India's majority on the streets agitating against this 15 per cent? What do you want us to do? Do you want the majority population initiating the demand that let reservation be given on the basis of the proportion of the population of each caste?

Whatever reservation now exists for the Dalits and tribals is not filled up by them? OBC reservation may also remain underutilised.

Blame it on the mindset of the upper castes. Many Dalit medical students are suffering because during internal assessment, they become victim of biases. The Dalit student's identity is known and the supervisor knows he is poor in English and that creates a bias.

Only in India are Indians victims because of their lack of knowledge of English. It is not just lack of sophistication, it is the mindset of the upper castes that is a hurdle in filling up posts.

Why don't you understand that (Human Resources Development Minister)Arjun Singh's action and politicians' support to him is nothing but vote bank politics?

They will have to support reservation otherwise a majority of India will throw them away in the coming elections.

Even if politicians don't support reservations from their hearts electoral equations are such that they have no option.

The agitators must understand the combination of Indian society and where they stand! They should part with the pie of cake they have!

In defence of reservation

Kennedy has given his insights at http://www.askenni.com/archives/2006/05/i_am_for_reserv.html and I am reproducing few interesting paragraphs


Let us not talk about the forward community people who are economically backward. And let us also not talk about the backward community people who are economically forward. Let us talk only about the major chunk of the society where most of the forward community people are well off and backward community people are still struggling for their livelihood.

But how many of us know that, even today there are different areas allocated for forward community people and backward community people. Forget about Tiruppur, visit Trichy for that matter. Even they have specific areas allocated for different people based on their castes. And they have this condition that when a backward caste person enters a forward caste area, he should not wear a shirt and should always carry the towel under his armpit. And I am not joking! There are numerous places in Tamil Nadu where tea and coffee are served in different glasses based on their caste – EVEN TODAY.

Kerala was known for breast wars. The backward caste women were asked not to wear anything on the top by the forward caste men. This was forced on them so that the upper caste men can have a BALL of a time when they saw the lower caste topless women working as daily labours at their fields.

For one of my friends, belonging to a backward class, studying was always secondary. As he had to do other works like – looking after the fields, feeding the cows, and even working for few days so that the family doesn’t starve. Studying in a vernacular medium, with no extra money or time for coaching classes, no tuitions, and also no guides – with his sole effort he could make to our college. We had a bet, with equal opportunities given to all who will score well, and to my astonishment – he scored better than any of us, as living in hostel he didn’t have any other work than to study.

Also why is this hulla gulla created when it comes to IIT or IIM or Medical students, who otherwise think are created and sent directly by Gods. I don’t think any IITian or IIMite or any doctor of India has won a Noble prize after CV Raman. Neither did we invent anything nor did we discover anything. All that we did was studied here, went abroad and paid taxes to the foreign government. We anyways have become mental slaves to the white skinned people, so what difference does it make if the seat is given to the forward caste student or a backward caste student?!

Monday, May 15, 2006

Strike Strike Strike

For the past two days, media has been blaring that Doctors are on Strike all over India.

In reality, FEW (I repeat FEW) students in Delhi and Mumbai are on Strike. Before proceeding further, let us see what Wikipedia has to tell about Strike

Strike action, often simply called a strike is the mass refusal by employees to perform work due to certain grievances. If an agreement could not be reached, workers could strike, or refuse to work until certain demands were met. Strikes first became important during the industrial revolution, when mass labour became important in factories and mines. In most countries they were quickly made illegal as factory owners had far more political power than the workers. Most western countries legalized striking partially in the late nineteenth or early twentieth century.
Strikes have also been used to force governments to change policies or even to bring down a government. A notable example is the Gdańsk shipyard strike led by Lech Wałęsa. This strike was significant in the struggle for political change in Poland, and was an important milestone along the way to the fall of Communist Party rule in Eastern Europe.
The strike tactic has a very long history. Towards the end of the 20th dynasty, under Pharaoh Ramses III in ancient Egypt in the 12th century BCE, the workers of the royal necropolis organized the first known strike or workers' uprising in history. The event was reported in detail on a papyrus at the time, which has been preserved, and is currently located in Turin [1].

Now, let us analyze the present scenario. The government proposes to give 27 % reservation to OBCs in Education and Jobs. While the topic of reservation is altogether a different story, let us examine the present action under the scanner.

1. Does the 27 % reservation is limited to Metros…. No
2. Is this reservation only for Medical colleges… No

This is a rule that is going to apply ALL OVER INDIA and across ALL PLATFORMS

What then is the funda behind medicos striking work.

In any civilized society, when there is a public problem and strike becomes inevitable, MEDICAL FRATERNITY will be the last section to join in the strike. Even when the Hospital joins, doctors will be the last among the hospital staff.

But in this case, we do not see any Engineering College, Arts college, IIT, IIM students striking. Instead Only Medicos are on Strike

What does this tell…… Who is actually instigating these guy…. Don’t these guys have any common sense….

By the way, In Tamil Nadu, Tirunelveli and THoothukudi Medical College students went on a demonstration (Not strike, they just had a demonstration without affecting patient care) FAVOURING reservation.

Medicos in Delhi are against reservation where as Medicos in Tamil Nadu favour reservation

What does this tell
1. Medicos in Delhi are from the Upper Caste
2. Medicos in Tamil Nadu are from all castes

How are the upper class students able to capture ALL THE OPEN category seats in Delhi, where as Upper Caste Students are not able to get MORE Than 10 percent of open category seats in Tamil Nadu

It is because, in Delhi, ONLY THE UPPER CASTE has the opportunity to attend good schools and apply for such courses, where as in Tamil Nadu, even the backward class are able to score well

Backward class are able to score well because THEIR PARENTS WERE GIVEN FREE EDUCATION BY KAMARAJAR and the parents became clerks and teachers and their children engineers and doctors.

How to make sure that there will be doctors and engineers from backward classes which are equally if not more talented … Give them quota....

VP Singh : Upliftment of Backward classes

VP Singh : Upliftment of Backward classes was more important for him than his Prime Minister Chair

I am often surprised as to the depths human mind can imagine. One fine example is the baseless, idiotic, and childish arguments given against reservation in education and jobs

One of such argument is Vote Bank Politics

Well…. What do you mean by this… This essentially means that you want to amuse a section of people and then capture power

What did VP Singh do? He tried to uplift the Backward Classes while he was in power. The BJP, obviously, withdrew their support, because they are not at all interested in upliftment of Hindus. They want upliftment of “Few” Hindus only.

As a result VP Singh lost power

Now my question is

A prime minister LOOSES POWER by doing something. And that is termed as Vote bank politics… Will any right minded, genuinely intelligent person say this. Vote Bank Politics is for GAINING POWER and not for loosing that.

Then how can we term the guys who give this argument against reservation.. You decide

How scent of a woman attracts lesbians

by Ian Sample, science correspondent
Tuesday May 9, 2006
The Guardian

at http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/story/0,,1770505,00.html?gusrc=rss

Sex pheromones, the chemicals some scientists believe waft off the body to help attract sexual partners, are processed differently in the brain depending on our sexuality.

Using a brain scanning technique called positron emission tomography, scientists found that a potent chemical lurking in male sweat causes a rush of electrical activity in the brains of straight women and gay men, while lesbians and straight men treat it like any other common odour.

Ivanka Savic, a neuroscientist at the Stockholm Brain Institute who led the study, said the finding suggested specific brain circuits were engaged when we were exposed to chemicals we found sexually stimulating. She added that the scans did not reveal whether sexual behaviour was learned or hard-wired in our brains at birth.

In the study, three groups of 12 volunteers, including lesbians, heterosexual women and straight men, were asked to sniff a variety of odours. They included odourless air, four common scents and a chemical, known as androstadienone (AND) that is 10 times more abundant in male than female sweat and is suspected of acting as a male pheromone.

After smelling the odours, the volunteers were given brain scans that revealed which regions of their brains had the greatest increase in blood flow, a measure of how much they had been stimulated. The scans showed that after sniffing AND, a region of the brain called the anterior hypothalamus lit up in heterosexual women and gay men.

The brain scans of lesbian women and straight men showed a marked difference after sniffing the male sweat chemical, however. Brain scans revealed activity increasing in parts of the brain called the piriform cortex and amygdala, which are believed to light up when the brain processes any odour.

The researchers also found that lesbians and heterosexual men responded in the same way to a potential female pheromone called EST. Brain scans showed that clusters of neurons lit up in the brains of both groups when they smelled the odour, which were not activated in heterosexual women.

"This is the first study to show that these chemicals can activate specific brain circuits," Dr Savic said. The study appears today in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

Sunday, May 14, 2006

DMKs Election Manifesto - Score Card

We give here the key points of DMK's election manifesto

As of the very first day, they scored 3 points. After 3 more days, it has become 5
Current Score - 5/37


1. Quality Rice at Rs.2 per Kilo to make women feel happy at heart. Implemented by G.O Ms No. 69 Dated 13.5.2006 of Co-operation, Food and Consumer Protection Dept
2. Free colour TV to every family for women’s recreation and general knowledge.
3. Restoration of Financial Assistance for marriage – Increased to Rs.15,000/-
4. Rs.45 per day as training allowance again to the members of Self-Help Groups.
5. Maternity assistance to pregnant women at Rs.1000 per month for 6 months!
6. Free gas stove to all poor women!
7. Educational fee increased several fold will be reduced and restored to earlier level.
8. With Nutritious meal to students, egg will be given twice a week.
9. Monthly financial assistance up to Rs.300 to the unemployed youth.
10. Employment opportunity to three lakh youth in the vacant posts in Government departments.
11. Self-Help Groups to the unemployed youth.
12. Free computer Training to the youth in rural areas.
13. Waiver of all cooperative loans of the farmers.
14. Free electricity to Weavers in addition to farmers.
15. Assignment of 2 acres of land to the landless poor families.
16. Waiver of cooperative loans in the event of death of farmers!
17. Selection of Teachers on the basis of registration seniority in the Employment Exchange – Among them 50% will be women!
18. Free electricity to farmers, who had got priority connection on payment of special deposits!
19. All concessions withdrawn will be restored to Government employees and teachers
20. Financial assistance to the families of the deceased
21. Government employees and road workers and employment to their legal heirs
22. Third Police Commission to redress the grievances of Police force and refurbish them!
23. We will implement the recommendations of the Sixth Pay Commission as an when they are announced
24. All the vacancies in Government Departments, Schools, Colleges and Hospitals will be filled – The system of contract employment will be abolished
25. Separate Welfare Boards to the unorganized labour ; Rs.300/- per month as pension to the members
26. Immediate provision of housing to all the fishermen and others affected by Tsunami!
27. Opportunity will be given to all the trained persons from all castes to act as Archakas in the temples
28. Reservation Act for Muslims and Christians
29. Opposition to foreign investment in retail trade
30. Old age pension increased to Rs.400/-
31. Physically Handicapped pension increased to Rs.500/-
32. Installation of Kannagi statue in the same place, removed by the ADMK Government
33. Bus fares raised by the ADMK regime will be reduced to the level of railway fares
34. We will reduce cinema out-door shooting charges enhanced by Jayalalitha Government
35. We will reestablish MGR Film City gradually razed to the ground by Jayalalitha regime
36. We will put up early a statue and memorial for “Nadigar Thilagam” Sivaji
37. We will declare the Birth day of Kamarajar on the 15th July as the day of opening of educational eye and organize celebrations in the schools.

Date Line

13th May 2005 - Assumes Office and on the same day, 1, 8,13 and 37 are taken care of See http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/000200605131201.htm

16th May 2005 - The Tamil Nadu government today decided to issue an order allowing all persons in the Hindu community with the required training and qualification to become archakas (priests) in temples. The Cabinet, which met with Chief Minister M Karunanidhi in the chair, took the decision based on the verdict given by the Supreme Court in 2002.

Vote share and number of seats

A fellow blogger is confused regarding the Vote share and the winning margin at http://shyamk.blogspot.com/2006/05/analysis-paralysis-confusion.html

Since many others also may have this doubt, here is the answer

DMK contested in 132 seats where as ADMK contested in 188 seats....

This 26.45 percent they have got IN 132 seats, where as ADMK has got 32.64 percent in 188 seats

For convenience, imagine that each constituency has 100 voters.... So the total number of voters is 100x234 = 23400

Of this DMK has got 26.45 % (6189) and ADMK 32.64 % (7637 votes)

So you feel that ADMK has got more votes.... No there is a catch

ADMK has got these votes in 188 constituencies... So vote PER Constituency is 7637/188 = 40

Similarly Vote per constituency for DMK is 46...

Now you can see who is the winner

Now if you compare the vote share in 2001 and 2006, you will have more surprises....

Since DMK contested more seats in 2001, they would have had more votes 30 % and since ADMK contested only in about 140 seats, they will have less votes 31 %

Now if any one compares the vote share across the years and say that ADMK's vote share has increased and DMK's vote share has come down by 4 %, he is obviously a fool

The reason....

In 2001
DMK got 30 % (7020 votes in 180 constituencies - or 39 percent per constituency)
ADMK got 31 % (7254 votes in 140 constituencies - or 51 percent per consituency)

SO when you compare

DMK has come up from 39 to 46 - A rise in 7 percent
ADMK has come down from 51 to 40 - A fall by 11 percent

Saturday, May 13, 2006

Why many are happy and why many are sad

Rozavasanth analyses the effect of DMK victory in a very good post at http://rozavasanth.blogspot.com/2006/05/4-2006.html

திமுக வெற்றிபெற்று கலைஞர் பதவி ஏற்பது என்பது, மிக தீவிரமான உணர்ச்சிகளை தமிழகத்தின் குறிப்பிட்ட மக்களிடையே ஏற்படுத்தக் கூடியது. அந்த தீவிர உணர்ச்சிகள், இரு விதங்களில் எதிர்வகைப் பட்டது. இந்த இரண்டு வகைப்பட்ட உணர்ச்சிகளையும், மிக அருகில் இருந்து பல முறை பார்த்தவன் என்ற முறையிலும், இரண்டையும் நானே தனிப்பட்ட முறையில், வேறு வேறு கால கட்டங்களில், மிகையாக அனுபவித்தவன் என்ற முறையிலும், இந்த முறையும் மக்களிடையே அதை உணர முடிகிறது.

Why many people are sad

ஒன்று எப்பாடு பட்டாவது கலைஞர் ஆட்சியில் அமர்வதை தடுக்க நினைக்கும், கலைஞரை தங்களின் இன எதிரியாக பார்க்கும், பார்பனர்களில் பெரும் பகுதியினர். கலைஞர் முதல்வர் நாற்காலியில் அமர்வது என்பதை தாங்கவே இயலாமல், உச்சகட்ட வயிற்றெரிச்சலில் இருப்பவர்கள். இவர்களில் நடுத்தர மற்றும் 'ஏழை பிராமண' வர்க்கத்தை சார்ந்தவர்கள் அதிகமாக இருப்பார்கள் என்பது சுவாரசியத்திற் குரியது. மோடி ஆட்சிக்கு வருவதை பார்த்து முஸ்லீம்களுக்கு அப்படி ஒரு உணர்ச்சி இருக்க கூடுமெனின், அது எல்லா நியாயத்தின் படியும் புரிந்து கொள்ளக் கூடியது. ஏனெனில் மோடியின் கையிலிருக்கும் அதிகாரம், இஸ்லாமியர்களின் இருப்பையே கேள்விக்குள்ளாக்குகிறது. ஆனால் கலைஞர் ஆட்சி உட்பட்ட எல்லா காலகட்டத்திலும், தங்கள் மேலான்மை கூட எந்த விதத்திலும் அச்சுறுத்தப் படாத தமிழக பார்பனர்களின், இந்த உளவியலின் வெறித்தன்மை உண்மையிலேயே ஆராய்சிக் குரியது. கலைஞரின் வெற்றியை (இந்த முறையும்) இவர்கள் எதிர்கொள்ளும் வகையில் வரும் மிக மோசமான வசைகளை, நானே என் காதால், பிறந்ததில் இருந்து நேற்றுவரை கேட்டு வருபவனவற்றை, நாகரீகம் கருதியும், பொலிடிகலி கரெக்ட்னஸ் கருதியும் இங்கே என்னால் எழுத முடியாது. என்றாலும் மனசாட்சிப்படி, பொத்தாம் பொதுவாய் இங்கே பதிவு செய்ய வேண்டியிருக்கிறது. இவர்களின் இந்த வயிற்றெரிச்சலும் நமது (அதாவது என்னை போல இந்த வயிற்றெரிச்சல் நேரவேண்டிய சமூகத்தேவையை அங்கீகரிப்பவர்களின்) சந்தோஷத்திற்கு உரியதே. (கலாநிதியின் மனைவியை வைத்து எல்லாம், ரொம்ப லாஜிக்கலாய் கேள்வி எழுப்பி என்னை திக்குமுக்காட வைக்க வேண்டாம் என்பது வேண்டுகோள் மட்டுமே - ப்ளீஸ்! இந்த இடத்தில் காக்கை பாடினியார் என் பதிவில் எச்சங்களை இட்டு தொந்தரவு செய்யமாட்டார் என்பது மிகவும் நிம்மதியாய் இருக்கிறது.)

And there are many who are happy

இதற்கு நேரெதிராய், திமுக என்ற கருப்பொருளை, உடலின் அத்தனை திரவங்களிலும் கலந்து கொண்ட வேறு லட்சோப லட்சம் மக்களுக்கு, கலைஞர் நாற்காலியில் அமர்வது என்பது வாழ்வின் உச்சகட்ட பரவச நிலைக்கு கொண்டு செல்லும் நிகழ்வாகும். சில நாட்கள் முன்பு சந்திக்க நேர்ந்த கிழவர் ஒருவர், கலைஞர் மீண்டும் நாற்காலியில் அமர்வதை காணவே உயிரோடு இருப்பதாகவும், அதற்கு பிறகு சந்தோஷமாய் சாக தயாராய் இருப்பதாகவும் சொன்னார். அவர் ஏழை எளிய வர்க்கத்தை சார்ந்தவரும் அல்ல. திமுகவின் ஊழலை, தொண்டர்களின் கேள்வி கேட்காத விசுவாசத்திற்கு கலைஞர் அளிக்கும் உதாசீனங்களை, கூட இருந்த பலருக்கு கலைஞர் செய்த துரோகங்களையும், கலைஞரது குடும்ப அரசியலையும் அதன் இன்றய செல்வ செழிப்பையும் மிக நன்றாக புரிந்து கொண்டவர். நல்ல வசதியுடன் இருக்கும் அவர், தனக்கு எந்த லாபமும் இல்லாத கலைஞரின் அரியணை ஏற்றத்தை, தன் வாழ்வின் லட்சிய நிகழ்வாக பார்பதை எப்படி புரிந்து கொள்வது? இது லட்சக்கணக்கான உதாரணங்களில் ஒன்று மட்டுமே. இப்படிப்பட்ட நிலை எம்ஜியாருக்கும், ஜெயலலிதாவிற்கும், ராஜிவிற்கும் சோனியாவிற்கும் கூட இருக்கலாம். ஆனால் இவர்களை கொண்டாடுவதில் உள்ள வழிபாட்டுத் தனமையை தாண்டி, கலைஞர் மீதான பிரேமைக்கு வேறு பல பரிமாணங்கள் இருப்பதாகவும், ஒரு சமூகத்தின் அடையாளம் சார்ந்த கொண்டாட்டமாகவும், ஒரு குறிப்பிட்ட அரசியல் சார்ந்த குதுகலமாக இருப்பதாகவும் எனக்கு தோன்றுகிறது. மிகவும் பிற்படுத்தப் பட்ட இனத்தை சேர்ந்த ஒருவரை, ஜாதிய உணர்வுகள் தாண்டி, தமிழ் சமூகம் இவ்வாறு கொண்டாடும் உளவியலை நாம் புரிந்து கொள்ள புதிய கருத்தியல்களை தேடவேண்டும் என்று தோன்றுகிறது.

As he has very poignantly potrayed, Kalaignar is considered as the uncle-next-door or the grandfather-next-door by most of the people in Tamil Nadu. MGR was a hero and there were many die hard fans for him, but the admirers of Kalignar are spread across a wide age group.

The unique feature I observed when the results were declared was the fact that many guys who are not at all related to politics give an expression of relief when then found that MK is going to be the next CM..... They are not politicians nor they the same community as MK nor they belong to a community that may get excessive benefits, but still they thought Kalaignar as one among them....

THis is Tamil Nadu

Monday, May 08, 2006

Opinion and Exit Polls

Last time Time and Netrikan predicted Jaya will win... ALl other media before election were of the same opinion that DMK will win...

But surprisingly exit polls in 2001 predicted an ADMK win.....

Coming to 2004 Lok Sabha elections, all were of the opinion that BJP is going to win... In fact What they predicted was correct, if you take Andhra and Tamil Nadu out of the results and analyse.... The north Indian media can never understand the South Indian politics (kerala, AP and TN)....

And in TN also, no one predicted that DMK will sweep 40/40......

Before blaming the polls (opinion and exit) as they not always accuracte, You should see that it is the RULING PARTY WHICH HAS TO BE CAUTIOUS and not the opposition.... Opposition has won after opinion polls have shown a trend in favour of Ruling, but a RULING PARTY HAS NEVER WON WHEN THE OPINION POLL HAS FAVOURED THE OPPOSITION. The reason is simple.....

There are two kinds of anti-incubency 1. Against the CM(or PM) and 2. Against your MLA (or MP) who never turned up after the result....

Then first anti incubency alone comes out in the opinion poll, where as the second one comes as a shock for the ruling party on the day of counting. It was for this reason, KK received a shock in 2001 and Vajpayee (and most of the India) in 2004.

Polls taken during March 15 showed a trend favouring JJ. How did the trend change by Apr 30. The reason is very simple. "Even though I am satisfied with CM, I do not want to vote for this MLA" is the popular opinion. This exactly is the reason why KK lost in 2001 and JJ is shocked now in 2006

The election analysis by Rozavasanth

There is a very interesting post by Rozavasanth at http://rozavasanth.blogspot.com/2006/04/2-2006.html

I am reproducing it as he has "hit the nail on the head"

ஓ போடு' என்ற ஒரு 'சமூக விழிப்புணர்வு இயக்கம்', இந்த தேர்தலில் யாருக்கும் வாக்களிக்க விரும்பாதவர்கள், 'யாருக்கும் ஓட்டு போட விருப்பமில்லை' என்ற '49 ஓ' வாய்ப்பை பயன்படுத்தி, இன்றைய 'கழிசடை அரசியலுக்கு' எதிரான ஒரு தீர்மானமாக, எதிர்ப்பை முன்வைக்க அழைக்கிறது. கேட்க சுவாரசியமாகத் தான் இருகிறது. இப்படி ஒரு வாய்ப்பு இருப்பது ஒரு குறிப்பிட்ட குரலை ஒலிப்பதற்கான உரிமையும் தேவையும் ஆகும். அந்த வகையில் நல்ல விஷயம்தான். ஆனால் தோழர் ஞாநி இந்த நடவடிக்கையை 'நம்மை இனி ஏமாற்ற முடியாது' என்பதன் அறிவிப்பாகவும், ' ஒரு தொகுதியில் ஜெயிக்கிற வேட்பாளரை விட, 49 ஓவுக்கு அதிக ஓட்டு விழுந்தால், அப்போது 'இனி நேர்மையான அரசியல் செய்ய வேண்டும், நல்ல வேட்பாளர்களை நிறுத்த வேண்டும்; இல்லாவிட்டால் மக்கள் ஆதரவு கிடைக்காது' என்பது அரசியலில் உள்ளவர்களுக்கு உறைக்கும்.' என்று சொல்வ தெல்லாம்தான் நம் சிந்தனையை தூண்டுகிறது.


முதலில் இது ஒரு நடுத்தர படித்த வர்க்கத்தின் குரலாக இருக்குமே ஒழிய, ஏழை எளிய மக்கள் ஒரு குறிப்பிட்ட சின்னத்தை தேர்ந்தெடுத்து, ஓட்டளித்து, சந்தோஷத்துடன் தங்களின் சிறிய உரிமையை நிலைநாட்டிக் கொள்வதில்தான் ஆர்வமாக இருப்பார்கள். சமூகத்தின் எந்த போக்கிலும் அதிகாரம் இல்லாதவர்கள், சமூகத்தில் எதையும் நிர்ணயிக்க இயலாதவர்கள், தங்களிடம் உள்ள ஒரு குறைந்த பட்ச, ஆனால் முக்கியமான அதிகாரத்தை வீணாக்காமல் பயன்படுத்த விளைவதும், அதில் நிறைவு கொள்வதும், புரிந்து கொள்ளக் கூடியதே. ஒரு வேளை குறிப்பிட்ட மக்கள் பிரச்சனைக்கு எதிர்ப்பாய், ஒட்டு மொத்தமாய் முன்பே பேசி வைத்து, வாக்களிப்பதை பகிஷ்கரிப்பதில் இறங்கக் கூடும். அதுவும் தங்களிடம் உள்ள அதிகாரத்தை பயன்படுத்தும் உத்தியாகவே இருக்கும்.


வாக்களிப்பதை தவிர்க்கும் பெரும் பகுதி மக்கள், சமூகத்தில் வசதியுடன், அதன் அதிகாரத்தையும், உற்பத்தியையும் நுகர்ந்து கொண்டிருக்கும் கூட்டத்தில் இருப்பவர்கள். 'யாரையும் பிடிக்கவில்லை' என்று பொதுவாய் சொல்லிக்கொண்டாலும், நீண்ட வரிசையில் நின்று, காத்திருத்தலுக்கு பின்பு, தாங்கள் அளிக்கப் போகும் ஒற்றை ஓட்டின் மீது பெரிய மதிப்பு இல்லாத அலட்சியத்தினாலேயே, ஓவ்வொரு தேர்தலிலும் வாக்களிக்காத விழுக்காடினரில் பெரும்பகுதியினர் வாக்களிக்காமல் இருப்பதாக தோன்றுகிறது. அவர்கள் சிரமம் எடுத்து '49 ஓ' போடுவார்களா என்பது சந்தேகத்திற்குரிய விஷயம்தான்.


இப்படி 'வாக்களிக்க விரும்பவில்லை' என்பதாய், வாக்களிக்க விரும்பாத விழுக்காடினர் வாக்களிப்பதால், எதாவது பயனோ, யாரிடமாவது மனமாற்றமோ இருக்கப் போவதாக எனக்கு தோன்றவில்லை. மிஞ்சிப் போனால் ஒரு சுய நிறைவும், மனச்சமாதானமும் கிடைக்கலாமே தவிர, அரசியல்ரீதியாய் இதற்கு என்ன முக்கியத்துவம் ஏற்படும் என்று புரியவில்லை. அல்லது இப்படிபட்ட நடவடிக்கைகளை, ஒரு கட்டத்தில் நாம் மாற்றிக்கொண்டு, யாருக்காவது ஓட்டளிக்கக் கூடிய 'தரத்திற்கு', நமது தேர்தல் அரசியல் என்றாவது 'உயர்ந்து' மேலெழும்பி வரும் என்றும், எனக்கு தோன்றவில்லை. தேர்தல் அரசியல் என்று வந்துவிட்ட பின் அது இப்படித்தான் இருக்கும் என்று மீண்டும் மீண்டும் மாற்று உதாரணங்கள் இல்லாமல் நிருபிக்கப் பட்ட பின், இன்னமும் 'அரசியல் ஒரு சாக்கடை' என்று ஸ்டீரியோடைப்பாய் சொல்லிக் கொண்டு செய்யும், ஒரு அசட்டு தார்மீகமாகவே எனக்கு இந்த நடவடிக்கை தோற்றமளிக்கிறது. அரசியல் நாம் எதிர்பார்க்கும் தரத்திற்கு வரும் என்ற அசட்டு நம்பிக்கைகளும் எனக்கு கிடையாது. யாருக்கும் வோட்டுப் போட விருப்பமில்லை யெனில், கடும் கோடையில் வெளியே செல்லாமல், வீட்டில், ஜிஞ்சர் லெமன் உருஞ்சிக் கொண்டு, எஃப் எம் கேட்டுக் கொண்டிருப்பதே உத்தமமானதாய் எனக்குத் தோன்றுகிறது.


அது தவிர 'ஓ போடு'விலிருந்து ஐஐடிக்காரன்களுக்கு ஓட்டுப் போடும் படி ஒரு மின்னஞ்சல் வந்ததை பார்த்து கொப்பளமே வந்துவிட்டது. ஒரு வேளை பிராமண சங்கம் தொடங்கியுள்ள கட்சிக்கு ஓட்டு போடச் சொன்னால் கூட கோபம் வந்திருக்காது. வலைப்பதிவிலும் ஒரு இடத்தில் ஒருவர் லோக் பரித்ரனுக்கு ஓட்டுப் போட அழைக்கிறார்.('சமஸ்கிருதப் பெயரை வைத்துகொண்டு பிழைக்க முடியுமா!' என்பதாக துக்ளக் இதை கிண்டலடிக்கிறது. கிண்டல் லோக் பரித்ரனை பற்றி அல்ல, தமிழகத்தை பற்றி.) இன்னொருவர் 'Give a chance to vijaykant' என்கிறார். அப்படி சொன்னவருக்கும் ஐஐடிக்காரன்களின் கட்சி சிறந்ததாக தெரிகிறது.

படித்தவர்கள் அரசியலுக்கு வந்தால் விடிவுகாலம் வரும் என்பது போன்ற அபத்தமான, அதே நேரம் சம அளவில் கபடமான சிந்தனை வேறு இருக்க முடியும் என்று எனக்கு தோன்றவில்லை. நாட்டில் ஹவாலாக்களிலும், என்னென்னவோ வகைகளிலும் கொள்ளையடித்த எவரும் தற்குறிகளோ, மாமா வேலை செய்துகொண்டிருந்தவனோ, சாராயம் கஞ்சா விற்றுக் கொண்டிருந்தவனோ அல்ல. உலகின் வீழாத ரவுடிகளாக வலம் வரும் அமேரிக்க இங்கிலாந்தின் படித்தவர்களின் அரசியலால், அக்கிரமங்கள் இன்னும் அதிகரித்திருக்கிறதே ஒழிய, உலகத்தின் எதிர்காலம் இந்த கல்வியினால் மட்டும் உய்யப் போவது இல்லை. முழுவதும் பட்டதாரிகளை கொண்டு ஆட்சிக்கு வந்த, ஏகப்பட்ட விளம்பரம் செய்யப்பட்ட, அஸாம் கன பரிஷத்தின் ஆட்சியும் எந்த விதத்திலும் வேறு படாத ஊழல் ஆட்சியாகவே வடிவம் பெற்றது.

கல்வியின்/அறிவின் முக்கியத்துவத்தை மறுப்பது அல்ல, நான் சொல்ல வருவது. தொழிற் கல்வி கற்றவர்களும், எம்பிஏ காரர்களும், எந்த வித அடிப்படையும் இல்லாமல் தாங்கள் மற்றவர்களை விட யோக்கியர்கள் என்பதாக ஒரு வாதத்தை முன்வைப்பதும், அதை உயர் நடுத்தர வர்க்கம் எந்த பிரஞ்ஞையும் விமர்சனமும் இல்லாமல் தூக்கி பிடிக்கும் அசிங்கம்தான் எரிச்சல் தருகிறது. அதிலும் சுயநலத்திலும் தனது முன்னேற்றத்திலும் மட்டுமே கவனம் உள்ள, சமூக பிரஞ்ஞையோ, வேர்களோ எதுவும் இல்லாத ஐஐடிகாரன்கள்! இதில் ஒரு ஆள், வீட்டுக்கு வந்து, வீட்டில் இல்லாதவர்களின் நம்பர் வாங்கிக் கொண்டு, செல்ஃபோனில் எல்லாம் வந்து ஓட்டு கேட்கிறார். 'மேம், கேன் ஐ டேக் எ ஃபியு மினிட்ஸ்' என்று தொடங்கி ஆங்கிலத்தைலேயே தொடர்கிறார் (என்னிடம் அல்ல, என்னிடம் மாட்டியிருந்தால் ஒரு வாங்கு வாங்கியிருப்பேன்). குறைந்த பட்சம் ஓட்டை தமிழில் கேட்கவேண்டும் என்ற உணர்வு கூட இல்லாதவர்கள், வாக்காளர்களிடம் திட்டு வாங்காமல் இருப்பதே 'சாதாரண' மக்களின் பரந்த மனப்பான்மைக்கு உதாரணமாய் இருக்கிறது. ஐஐடிகாரன்கள் முதலில் ஐஐடி உள்ளே நடக்கும் சாதிய பாகுபாடுகளை பற்றி, உள்ளே உள்ளவர்களின் வெறி பிடித்த, தங்கள் நலம் சார்ந்த, பரிசீலனைகளுக்கு வாய்பில்லாத ஒற்றை பார்வைகளை பற்றி கொஞ்சமாவது பரிசீலித்து விட்டு, நாட்டில் நடப்பதை புரிந்து கொள்ள முயற்சி எடுக்கலாம். இடவொதுக்கீடு என்பதை ஆதரிப்பது எதிர்ப்பது என்பதும், அது குறித்த ஒரு நிலைபாட்டை மேற்கொள்வது என்பதும் வேறு விஷயம். ஆனால் இட ஒதுக்கீடு பற்றிய இவர்களின் பார்வையில் ஒரு குறைந்த பட்ச நாகரீகமோ, தங்களுக்கு அந்நியமான வாழ்க்கை பற்றிய குறைந்த பட்ச மரியாதையோ இல்லாததும் இவர்களின் யோக்கியத்தனம் பற்றியும், முரட்டுத்தனமாய் தங்கள் கருத்தை பற்றிக் கொண்டு மாற்றுக் கருத்துக்களின் நியாயத்தை அறிய முயலாததிலேயே இவர்களின் அறிவு பூர்வமான அணுகுமுறையும் விளங்குகிறது. (நேரடி ஆதாரம் கேட்காதீர்கள். சொந்த அனுபவத்தில் எதிர்கொள்ள நேர்ந்ததை வைத்துத்தான் எழுதியிருக்கிறேன்.) இதை விட 'படிக்காதவர்களின் அரசியலில்' உள்ள பிரச்சனைகள் எவ்வளவோ மேல். நல்லவேளையாக இவர்கள் மக்கள் ஆதரவை குறிப்பிட்ட அளவில் கூட ஒரு காலத்திலும் பெறமாட்டார்கள் என்பதால் இதில் கவலை கொள்ள எதுவுமில்லை.

அடுத்த (நோய்கூறு குறைவான) நகைச்சுவை விஜய்காந்தை ஒரு மாற்றாக சொல்வது. ரஜினி அரசியலுக்கு வரவே போவதில்லை என்பதால், அதை விரும்பியவர்களுக்கு இப்படி ஒரு வாதம். ஒருவேளை தமிழகத்தில், ஒரு நல்ல ஆட்சியை தந்திருக்க முடியும் என்றால், அது எம்ஜியார் அவர்களால்தான் சாத்தியமாயிருக்கும். உண்மையிலேயே ஏழைகள் மீது பரிவும், ஏதாவது நல்லது செய்யும் உணர்வும அவருக்கு இருந்தது. சினிமாவில் இருந்த போதும் அவர்( தன்னால் மட்டும் படம் ஓடிய காரணத்தால், தான் தோன்றித்தனமாய் சில இடங்களில் நடந்து கொண்டாலும்), தன் வருவாயை மட்டும் குறியாய் கொண்டிருக்கவில்லை. அவர் தனது படங்கள் மூலம் சம்பாதித்ததை விட, மற்றவர்கள் அவர் படங்கள் மூலம் அள்ளியது ஏராளம். ஆனால் அவர் ஆட்சியில்தான் ஊழலின் பரிமாணம் புதிய வடிவங்களை அடைந்தது. எம்ஜியாரை போல அல்லாமல், தனது படத்தின் மூலம் சாத்தியமாகும் எல்லா வகை வருவாயையும் கறாராக வசூலிக்கும், லாபத்தின் எல்லா தளங்களிலும் பங்கு கேட்கும், இன்னும் வேறு பல வழி வகைகளில் வருவாயை பெருக்குவதையே குறியாய் கொண்டிருக்கும், ரஜினியும் விஜயகாந்தும் ஊழலற்ற ஆட்சியை தருவார்கள் என்று வாதத்தை முன்வைத்து, அதற்கு சிலர் ஒரு வாய்ப்பு தரக் கேட்பது, இந்த தேர்தலில் நடக்கும் மற்ற கூத்துக்களில் இருந்து, கேலித்தன்மையில் எந்த விதத்திலும் குறையாத விளையாட்டு.

விஜயகாந்த வெற்றி பெற்றால் அதனால் புதிதாய் எதுவும் குடிமுழுகப் போவதில்லை. மற்ற எல்லா ஆட்சிகளைப் போலவே, கேனத்தனமாகவும், ஊழலாகவும், அவருக்கு வேண்டியவர்கள் நிறைந்த அரசாகவும் இருக்கும். அதில் புதிய கெடுதல் எதுவும் இல்லை என்றாலும், ஏதோ விஜயகாந்த் வித்தியாசம் காட்டுவார், விஜயகாந்தால் விடிவு வரக்கூடும் என்பதாக சிலர் வித்தியாசமான ஓ போடுவதால் மட்டுமே, இதை சொல்ல வேண்டியிருக்கிறது. (சில கணிப்புகளின் படி, அவர் திமுக ஓட்டுக்களை மட்டும் சிதறடித்து, அதனால் அதிமுக வெற்றி பெற்றால், அது அவரால் ஆன கைங்கர்யம்.) அது தவிர விஜயகாந்த் உதிர்க்கும் சொல்லாடல்கள், சங்கராச்சாரியாருடன் சேர்ந்து முன்வைத்த அவரது பழைய உதிர்ப்புக்கள், எதிர்காலத்தில் பலம் பெற்றால் அவர் இந்துத்வ சார்பாக இருப்பதற்கே வாய்ப்பு அதிகமாக இருக்கிறது. கேட்பாரின்றி இப்போது கிடக்கும் பாஜகவிற்கு அவரால் அட்ரஸ் கிடைத்தாலும் கிடைக்கலாம் என்பதை தவிர வேறு வித்தியாசங்கள் தென்படும் என்று தோன்றவில்லை.

(இன்னும் ஒரு பதிவு வரும்.)

Saturday, May 06, 2006

A belated but welcome move

by
K. Veeramani (President of the Dravidar Kazhagam.)

at
http://www.hindu.com/2006/05/03/stories/2006050308681100.htm

UNION HUMAN Resource Development Minister Arjun Singh's circular to the Cabinet Secretariat regarding reservation in Central educational institutions has not brought anything new to the domain of public knowledge. It is a follow-up measure to the 93rd Constitutional Amendment that has added clause 5 to Article 15. Accordingly, the state can make any special provision by law for the advancement of any socially and educationally backward class or for the Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes "insofar as such special provisions relate to their admission to educational institutions including private institutions whether aided or unaided — other than minority institutions." Article 15(5) of the Constitution came into force on January 20 this year when it received Presidential assent.

In its communication to the Cabinet Secretary on April 8, the Election Commission said Mr. Singh's announcement prima facie amounted to a breach of the model code as it gave new concessions to certain sections of the electorate in Assam, Tamil Nadu, Kerala, West Bengal, and the Union Territory of Pondicherry. In his reply, Mr. Singh told the Commission that he had refrained from making a comment to the media on the reservation issue precisely on the ground that the election process was under way in some States. After a National Council of Education Research and Training (NCERT) function on April 5, he made a reference to the Constitution Amendment and said that necessary follow-up action was under way and a decision would follow after the Assembly elections.

The Centre's move to provide reservation for the Other Backward Classes in Central institutions, including the Indian Institutes of Technology and the Indian Institutes of Management, is a belated but commendable one. Among the various measures recommended by the All India Second Backward Classes Commission headed by Bindeshwari Prasad Mandal, the V.P. Singh Government sought to implement only 27 per cent reservation in jobs in 1990. It did not attempt to carry out other recommendations, including reservation for OBCs in Central educational institutions.

Reservation in jobs under Article 16(4) will be meaningful and effective only when opportunities to get educated are given to the socially disadvantaged people. It is in view of this fact that the First Constitutional Amendment was made in 1951, after Periyar E.V. Ramasamy launched an agitation against the higher judiciary's ruling that the then composite Madras Government's Order on Communal Representation was unconstitutional. This Amendment has safeguarded the job and education reservation in the State.

Just demands

This should have prompted the Union Government also to meet the demands of social justice to uplift the underprivileged sections of people. It is regrettable that the labours of the First All India Backward Classes Commission (1953-55) under the chairmanship of Kaka Kalelkar, proved to be a futile exercise. Even nearly 60 years after India attained Independence, the Central Government is reluctant to take effective measures to promote the legitimate demands of the OBCs. The demand for reservation for the historically disadvantaged is constitutional, not unconstitutional or extra-constitutional.

When they promote social justice in countries such as the United States under the name of affirmative action or positive discrimination, the upper caste authorities in India put obstacles to similar measures.

Lessons from history

The oft-repeated argument that merit and efficiency will suffer under the quota system does not stand the scrutiny of past history and current experience. In Tamil Nadu, the practice of providing communal representation has been in existence for quite a long time, from the 1920s when it was a part of the composite Madras Province. And yet Tamil Nadu is among the best-administered States in the country and its academic standards remain very high. Due to reservation enjoyed for a long period, the socially and educationally backward classes have so improved their cultural and intellectual atmosphere that they score high marks in public examinations and common entrance tests. What is demanded is not dispensing with competitiveness with regard to less privileged classes, but avoiding competition among unequals.

Let there be competition among equals. It is neither just nor fair to ask the sons and daughters of those who have been traditionally doing only manual jobs to compete with those who have a centuries-old background of academic and literary skills.

Central Government educational institutions have already adopted the quota system in the form of reserving a certain percentage of seats for the Scheduled Castes, the Scheduled Tribes, managements quotas, NRIs, the physically handicapped, etc. Again, in this background, allotting 27 per cent of seats to the OBCs, who are socially handicapped and who constitute about 54 per cent of our country's population, should be treated as one among the foremost duties of our Government.

When the disadvantaged communities are sure of getting a certain number of seats, the boys and girls among them gain confidence and begin to cultivate the competitive spirit. They get the opportunity of sharing the experience of excellence and grow up optimistic.

People of a country become strong and progressive when they have social cohesiveness, which depends on providing equal opportunities for different communities and classes. This becomes possible only when the systems and institutions are made inclusive of various sections and not kept exclusive preserves of the privileged.

What is guaranteed by the Constitution should have been implemented from 1951. But reservation in Central educational institutions was not provided even in 1992 when the Union Government provided for job reservation after the Supreme Court judgment in the Mandal Commission Cases (Indra Sawhney versus Union of India). Now the United Progressive Alliance Government has come forward to translate the constitutional promise into a reality. Though belated, it is a welcome proposal.

Monday, May 01, 2006

Some thoughts, some reservations

by Fali S. Nariman at http://www.indianexpress.com/story/3497.html

A case of great constitutional significance is being argued before a bench of five justices of the Supreme Court, presided over by the chief justice of India. A few years ago both houses of Parliament added sub-clauses (4A) and (4B) to Article 16 of our Constitution by a rare unanimous vote, but with hardly any discussion. The question presently engaging the court’s attention is: do these sub-clauses violate the “basic structure” of the Constitution?

I had always thought they did. But after reading a perceptive newspaper article by a sociology professor of JNU recently, I have some doubt. The professor goes for the jugular: “Dalits can ask Brahmins that if they were so meritorious, why is half of our country’s population still illiterate?” If meritorious economists and administrators manage the affairs of our country without any reservation how and why are we still so economically backward?”

In the realm of super-speciality education where (at present) there are no ‘reservations’, only three Indian institutes of higher learning figure in the top 500 of world universities — Indian Institute of Science (at No 260), and the Indian Institutes of Technology at Kharagpur and Delhi (at No 459 and 460, respectively). The IITs in Madras, Kanpur, Mumbai and Roorkee don’t figure at all, despite the fact that there are no reservations for OBCs in these centres of learning. And, the professor goes on to say, why do we have hundreds of thousands of cases pending at all levels despite our ‘meritorious’ judiciary? The professor is quite indignant and he won’t wait for answers, but what he says must be put in the ultimate reckoning — without rant or recrimination.

I believe that the truth is that we have not yet resolved the complexities that lie buried in the doctrine of equality. How long are we to atone for the oppression of the centuries? For how long should the claim based on merit and on the fundamental right of equality be ignored? How long should we go on equalising downwards? There are no easy answers. Much of the backwardness in the so-called backward classes continues because small sections of its more progressive members corner all the privileges for themselves. Our judges have characterised these sections as the “creamy layer”. But neither bureaucrats nor politicians are willing or able to remove the creamy layer.

The problem of inequality in India continues to haunt us — more now than before. There is an increasing resistance to the view that the sins of generations of our forefathers in the higher castes have to be expiated here and now — in a couple of generations. And yet the stark fact of continuous under-representation of the underprivileged in the higher echelons of public employment cannot be just wished away. Many years ago, UN Under Secretary-General Ralph Bunche explained why: “Because inalienable rights cannot be enjoyed posthumously.”

Of course, the final word in all constitutional matters is with the judges. But the courts have not been very helpful. They have interpreted the compensatory discrimination clauses (Articles 15 and 16) differently at different times. True, they have prodded and energised governments to live up to the constitutional commitment to alleviate the lot of the downtrodden, but the ground rules have kept fluctuating depending upon the background of individual justices. Not surprisingly. After all, courts are a mirror of the larger society in which we all live, and judges reflect — in their deliberations and pronouncements — the ambiguity and vacillation that shrouds the elusive concept of equality.

But one thing is certain: as long as poverty continues to stalk the land and gross disparities between the rich and poor remain a fact of life, the ideal of an egalitarian society envisaged by the founding fathers in our basic document of governance will remain a bad dream. Whatever the nation’s karma, the founding fathers cannot be faulted for a lack of idealism, nor can providence. It is not in our stars but in ourselves that we are thus. It is not because of our Constitution but despite its provisions that we have failed to achieve what were naively assumed to be achievable goals in 1950.

A former Union law minister told me some years ago about a “casteless” Parsi judge (we Parsis do have prejudices, but they are not caste-based!). He was Justice Jal Vimadalal who was compulsorily transferred during the Emergency of June 1975, as a judge of the high court of Andhra Pradesh (from Bombay); the entire bar took to him instantly, simply because he ignored the caste to which the lawyers appearing before him belonged: “When he left,” Shiv Shankar told me, “the entire bar wept.”

If the under-privileged have been oppressed for centuries, its backlash in the psychological make-up of the ‘privileged’ cannot be underestimated. I recall what the late Justice D P Madon used to say when he became chief justice of Bombay. He had sent for and looked into the records on the administrative side of the Bombay High Court about promotions of judges from the district courts and to his horror he found that judges in the subordinate judiciary of equal and at times greater merit were not promoted to the high courts simply because they did not belong to the ‘privileged’ classes!

No one could possibly fault the senior judges of the Bombay High Court — they were fine intellectuals many of whom moved on to the highest court on merit. Their predilections were unconscious, unintentional. The truth is — and this is the bottom line in the entire ‘reservation controversy’ — that although we have abolished untouchability and outlawed backwardness in our Constitution, many of us — even the most distinguished of us, alas — have not eliminated it from our hearts.

Meanwhile the debate in the Great Constitutional Case continues. I would respectfully suggest to the distinguished MPs who did not have the inclination to discuss these important questions on the floor of the two houses, when the equality clauses were being amended, to visit the court and witness the intensity and solemn sobriety with which arguments are being advanced on each side, with searching questions being put by the justices. Sometimes even Parliament can learn from the Supreme Court.

In the end, the vexed problem about ‘reservations’ will only get resolved with more meaningful opportunities for better education of all sections of our society, particularly the under-privileged.

The writer is an eminent jurist fnariman@hathway.com

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