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Friday, June 23, 2006

Rediff eats its words

After exhibiting their regional and linguistic fanatism, Rediff finally eats its words with a Blog by Shobah Warrier. Of late Corporates have started to make use of their employees blog as a PR section



Chennai, the kindest city

A survey conducted by Readers’ Digest has found Mumbai the rudest city in the entire world. As I have not lived in Mumbai or in any of the cities mentioned in the news item, I cannot comment on the correctness of the survey. But from the places I have lived in my life; there are not many, of course (Trivandrum, Kozhikode, Kottayam, Munnar, Nashik, Coimbatore, Bangalore, Kochi and Chennai), I would describe Chennai as the kindest and Trivandrum, my own native place as the rudest.

I strongly feel that you just cannot judge a place by the reception you get at the railway station or airport. I have not in my life seen a single friendly railway station. You have to live in a city to get the real feel of it.

Similarly initial reaction to a place will change with due course of time too. My first reaction to Chennai was that of grave disappointment. When we started driving from Ernakulam to Chennai on a summer day, it was raining very heavily there but when we reached Chennai, it was painfully hot. One could easily bear the climate but to my horror, I found that there was no water in the taps. It was for the first time in my life that I was facing water scarcity. Moving to a flat after living in independent houses with wonderful gardens to attend to, also can be a traumatic experience; it was indeed one for me. All the potted plants I had lovingly carried with me withered away as I had no water to give them. When we couldn’t get enough water to drink and wash, how could I water them? Those initial days were extremely painful for me.

As months went by, I started seeing the good side of this city; the loving and the kind side. I was travelling by the state transport corporation bus one afternoon. The bus was almost empty. At one of the stops, a very old lady with a huge basket half full of vegetables tried to get in. With great difficulty, she kept the basket on the footboard, and then she tried to step in. The step was too high for her to climb easily. Seeing this, a young man jumped from his seat shouting, nillu Paatti. Naan help punnarein. (Wait Grandma, I will help you). He then hauled the basket inside the bus and literally pulled the lady onto the bus. Romba nandri thambi. She said with gratitude and love in her eyes. He sat back as if he had not done anything great.

This reminded me of a similar scene I had witnessed in Trivandrum sometime back. As the steps of the buses are too high, it is just impossible for very old people to get inside the bus unhelped. On seeing an old lady taking too much time to get in, the conductor of the bus shouted from his seat, ”Old woman! If you can’t walk, can’t you sit at home? Trying to waste our time! Come on, get in fast. Don’t irritate us.’ I still remember the way he cursed that lady. When the young man in Chennai called a vegetable vendor Paatti (grandma), to this young conductor, an old lady is Kelavi, that is, literally an old woman and derogatory too!

This is the difference between Trivandrum and Chennai; in fact, Chennai and many other cities. I have seen many, many such incidents to prove my point that Chennai is the kindest city I have seen.

Let me narrate one more instance. Once again, I was travelling in a bus, and sitting near the window. A young college girl got in at a stop and took a seat in front of me. When the bus came to a halt at the next stop, a young man riding a bicycle came to a screeching halt near the bus. He was panting and sweating; perhaps trying to keep pace with the bus. He waved a CD and asked, ‘I saw this falling from a girl’s bag who got into this bus. Whose is this?’ Suddenly the college girl looked at the CD and exclaimed in an embarrassed tone, ‘Sorry, it’s mine. I didn’t know it had fallen. Thanks a lot.’ ‘Its ok. I cycled behind the bus thinking it may be of importance to someone.’ He gave the CD to her and cycled back. I was dumbfounded to see someone doing such an unselfish act.

I have been living in this city for a little more than ten years- the longest I have ever lived in one place- and I feel like living here for a few more years.

Wednesday, June 21, 2006

Rude Rediff

If you ask me to give just one example for "yellow journalism", I have no hesistation to name rediff, which is a shame as for as Indian Media is concerned.

But I could never imagine that the site will go to such extent as to name Chennai as the Rudest City in its home page

Now coming to the details

As per http://rediff.com/news/2006/jun/21msg.htm


A survey has called Mumbai the rudest city in the world, out of leading cities in 35 countries.

The survey states that 'the culture of extending help, expressing gratitude when helped and talking politely are not part of everyday life in Mumbai'.

It adds - Asia, in general, scored low on the chart, with every city on the continent, excepting Hong Kong, finding a place among the bottom 10. New York topped the chart with a score of 80 per cent whereas in Sao Paulo, even miscreants were found saying 'thank you'.

Do you think this is an accurate finding - can Mumbai be the world's rudest city? Or, do you disagree? Which city is ruder, in your opinion? Tell us.


So few guys have given opinion.

Out of this one Aditya Datar says

I found Chennai to be the rudest city from the moment I stepped on the Chennai Central Station to the Autowalas who literally were uncoperative and rude and abusive why ...just because you did not understand and speak Tamil.Every where you went it seemed too be the Chennai cities culture to literally punish you if you could not understand or speak Tamil.Worse of all if you spoke amongst yourselves in Hindi then you were given the looks of suspected criminals.
It sucked..!
So my experience was Chennai or Madras was the most ruddest city I ever visited.So I disgaree to the article of Mumbai being the ruddest city in the world, the article must not had taken Chennai in account.


And another Mugdha Ashtaputre comments

Hi,

I completely agree with you.

Mugdha


Now I cannot completely understand this logic. How will they treat me in Bhopal if I don't know Hindi or in Athens if I don't know Greece or for that matter in ANY CITY if I don't know their language. Why is that this gentleman thinks that he has to be given a royal welcome just because he speaks Hindi. Such posts are the result of autocratic mindset that every one should know Hindi. He does not for a moment think that he would have met with the same difficulty in ANY COUNTRY in the World if does not know the regional language.

But this gentleman (and another guy who comments) give a city the title of rudest city just because the inhabitant there could not speak his language. How Strange.



And worse, we have the Hindi fanatic Rediff display that in the Home Page, irrespective of the following comments

chennai,delhi & bangalore are good cities.
the worst city & Rudest city is mumbai & kolkatta
Mumbai and Delhi are easily the rudest cities in India. Just look at the callousness of their residents towards visitors- no concern for fellow citizens, making fun of the tourists all the time when there're lost and asking directions to navigate the untidy& ill-designed streets.....

Havin' travelled the length and breadth of India, I could very well conclude Chennai followed by Bangalore are really friendly and welcoming cities. Even richshawwallas and small shopkeepers in chennai are helpful and fun to hang around easing the language hurdle as much as they could!
Subject: I had very torrid experience in Mumbai.
Well the analysis is very close to reality. Every one would agree with it. Chennai and Bangalore scores over Mumbai and Delhi as far as india is concerned.

Tuesday, June 20, 2006

OBC Criteria in Tamil Nadu

Few bloggers, who have an habit of posting the same idiotic, factually incorrect rubbish time and again in their blog say that

As far as the national level is concerned (for jobs), TN excludes the salary for purposes of creamy layer calculation for government employees.

Stupid

The OBC certificate given in Tamil Nadu is based on

1. Govt of India, Ministry of Welfare Resolution No 12011/68/93-BCC(C) Dated 10th Sept 1993, published in Gazette of India Extraordinary Part I Sec I No 186, dated 13th September 1993

2. Govt of India, Ministry of Welfare Resolution No 12011/9/94-BCC(C) Dated 19th Oct 1994, published in Gazette of India Extraordinary Part I Sec I No 163, dated 20th October 1994

3. Govt of India, Ministry of Welfare Resolution No 12011/7/95-BCC(C) Dated 24th May 1995, published in Gazette of India Extraordinary Part I Sec I No 88, dated 25th May 1993

4. Govt of India, Ministry of Welfare Resolution No 12011/44/96-BCC(C) Dated 6th December 1996, publihsed in Gazette of India Extraordinary Part I Sec I No 210, dated 11th December 1996


There is NO SEPERATE OBC Criteria for Tamil Nadu.

In my opinion, if some one does not have any valid points, it is better to keep quiet rather than write rubbish

Friday, June 16, 2006

No Work and No Pay

As per News reports

New Delhi, June 14 - The resident doctors who participated in last month's protests against the quota policy will not get any salary for the strike period of 17 days, Health Minister Anbumani Ramadoss said Wednesday. The health ministry has sent a letter to the All India Institute of Medical Sciences (AIIMS ) and directed it not to pay those resident doctors 'who neither worked nor applied for leave' on the days of protests. 'We have to follow the law. And I don't want to set a wrong precedent. However, their pay will not be cut if the Supreme Court says so,' Ramadoss told reporters. The letter was despatched to AIIMS June 12 but the directive will be applicable to all resident doctors across the country who went on strike to protest against the government's decision to implement 27 percent quota for Other Backward Classes (OBCs) in institutes of higher learning. Meanwhile, resident doctors alleged that the move was a violation of the order of the Supreme Court. 'Since we called off our strike within the three-day period given by the Supreme Court, the government should also respect the apex court directive against any punitive action,' said Kushal Kant Mishra, a resident doctor of AIIMS . Resident doctors of all five medical colleges in Delhi were contemplating 'to take up the issue with the apex court'.

Punitive action means

1. Suspension treated as penalty
2. Transfer
3. Withholding Increment with or without cumulative effect
4. Making students not eligible for the current exams (there by making them loose 6 months) etc

This move is not at all a punishment or punitive action

Not giving pay for striking doctors is something that had been done in Tamil Nadu way back when I was a student

Any how if you want to know about punitive action, read it here

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2004/jan2004/nadu-j09.shtml

And coming to NO WORK - NO PAY concept

It never pains when you win the cause of the strike.

For example, we went on a month long strike and the stipend was raised from 1050 to 3000. Now no one cared when they did not pay us a month's stipend as we got that 1050 in the very next month as hike

But this pay cut really hurts when your strike is not won (Please don't get tensed.... The matter is still in court and hence we cannot claim victory now)

Any how coming to the moral ground,

How can we claim pay when we have not worked


If so then we need not have various kinds of leave such as Casual leave, Compensatory Leave, Permission Leave, Earned Leave, Unearned Leave, Maternity Leave, Study Leave, Leave on Medical Grounds etc

If I want to take leave, then I can go on a strike demanding that there should be no seperate hostel for Ladies (in the name of equality) and hence go for my personal work When the work is over, I can come back and join…

Wonderful !!!

I want a comment on this attitude from a very intelligent blogger (http://gauravsabnis.blogspot.com/2006/05/tata-motors-in-hartal-land.html) who never spares a moment to spit venom against the workers who go on strike for increasing pay or bank staff who strike work for getting their pension, but has been silent (except for one post) on the fanatic doctors of Delhi going on Strike for racist reasons there by affecting the sick

Erosion of dignity of AIIMS

New Delhi, June 15 - Alleging 'health ministry's interference', P. Venugopal, director of the All India Institute of Medical Sciences (AIIMS ), Thursday threatened to resign. After having a meeting with students, resident doctors and senior faculty members, Venugopal said he would like to leave his post than to see the dignity of the institute being eroded. "Reacting to the Venugopal's veiled threat, Ramadoss said: 'If someone wants to resign, he is free to do so.' "
What caught my attention in the following words

dignity of the institute being eroded.

Now if you look back

The dignity of institute was not eroded because of institute quotas

The dignity of institute was not eroded when the question papers were leaked in 2002

The dignity of institute was not eroded when the guys could not give a question paper with 300 proper questions (with 30 to 35 questions missing in fwe question papers) in 2004

The dignity of institute was not eroded when patients were refused treatment for 2 weeks

The dignity of institute was not eroded when AIIMS posted an irresponsible notice (http://www.nellaimedicos.com/blog/bruno/2006/02/irresponsibleagain.html )

In all those occasions this director did not feel that he should resign. Not that I am suggesting that he should be a Lal Bahadur Shastri to take moral responsibility, but what I am saying is that the present scenario does not in anyway erode the dignity of the institute

But now the gentleman (who did not come to press at anytime in the past) says that the dignity is eroded !!!

Strange !!!

Does it mean that if an institute is to remain "elite" (or dignified), pay should be given for no work !!! (or absenting from work)

If so then we need not have various kinds of leave such as Casual leave, Compensatory Leave, Permission Leave, Earned Leave, Unearned Leave, Maternity Leave, Study Leave, Leave on Medical Grounds etc

If I want to take leave, then I can go on a strike demanding that there should be no seperate hostel for Ladies (in the name of equality) and hence go for my personal work

When the work is over, I can come back and join...

Wonderful !!!

Thursday, June 15, 2006

LIST OF DENOTIFIED COMMUNITIES throughout the State of Tamil Nadu

LIST OF DENOTIFIED COMMUNITIES throughout the State of Tamil Nadu unless and otherwise specified

1. Attur Kilnad Koravars : Salem, Namakkal, Cuddalore, Villupuram,
Ramanathapuram, Sivaganga and
Virudhunagar District.
2. Attur Meland Koravars : Salem and Namakkal Districts
3. Appanand Kondayamkottai: Sivaganga, Virudhunagar, Ramanathapuram, Maravar Madurai, Theni and Dindigul Districts.
4. Ambalakarar : Tiruchirapalli, Karur, Perambalur,
Nagapattinam, Thanjavur, Tiruvarur and
Pudukottai Districts.
5. Ambalakkar : Suriyanur, Tiruchirapalli, Karur and
Perambalur District.
6. Boyas : Tiruchirapalli, Karur, Perambalur,
Pudukottai Districts
7. Battu Turkas : The Nilgiris, Salem, Namakkal and
Dharmapuri Districts
8. C.K. Koravars : Cuddalore and Villupuram Districts
9. Chakkala : Sivaganga, Virudhunagar, Ramanathapuram,
Thanjavur, Nagapattinam, Tiruvarur,
Pudukottai, Tiruchirapalli, Karur,
Perambalur, Madurai, Theni, Dindigul and
The Nilgiris Districts
10. Changavampudi Koravars : Vellore and Tiruvannamalai Districts
11. Chettinad Valayars : Sivaganga, Virudhunagar and
Ramanathapuram Districts.
12. Dombs : Pudukottai, Tiruchirapalli, Karur and
Perambalur Districts.
13. Dobba Koravars : Salem and Namakkal Districts.
14. Dommars : Thanjavur, Nagapatnam, Tiruvarur,
Pudukottai, Vellore and Tiruvannamalai
Districts.
15. Donga Boya
16. Donga Ur. Korachas
17. Devagudi Talayaris
18. Dobhai Korachas : Tiruchirapalli, Karur, Perambalur and
Pudukottai Districts
19. Dabi Koravars : Thanjavur, Nagapattinam, Thiruvarur,
Tiruchirapalli, Karur, Perambalur,
Pudukottai, Vellore and Tiruvannamalai
Districts
20. Donga Dasaris : Kancheepuram, Tiruvalur, Tiruchirapalli,
Pudukottai, Karur, Perambalur, Namkkal and
Salem Districts.
21. Gorrela Dodda Boya
22. Gudu Dassaris
23. Gandarvakottai Koravars : Tanjavur, Nagapattinam, Thiruvarur,
Tiruchirapalli, Karur, Perambalur
Pudukkottai, Cuddalore and Villupuram
Districts.
24. Gandarvakottai Kallars : Thanjavur, Nagapattinam, Thiruvarur and
Pudukottai Districts.
25. Inji Koravars : Thanjavur, Nagapattinam, Thiruvarur,
Tiruchirapalli, Karur, Perambalur and
Pudukottai Districts
26. Jogis : Chennai, Cuddalore, Kancheepuram,
Thiruvallur, Villupuram, Vellore and
Tiruvannamalai Districts.
27. Jambavanodai
28. Kaladis : Sivaganga, Virudunagar, Ramanathapuram,
Madurai, Theni, Dindigul, Thanjavur,
Nagapattinam, Thiruvarur, Pudukottai
Tiruchirapalli, Karur and Perambalur
Districts.
29. Kal Oddars : Kancheepuram, Tiruvellore, Ramanathapuram,
Sivaganga, Virudhunagar, Madurai, Theni,
Dindigual, Pudukottai, Tiruchirapalli, Karur,
Perambalur, Tirunelveli, Thoothukudi, Salem
and Namakkal Districts.
30. Koravars : Kancheepuram, Tiruvellore, Ramanathapuram,
Sivaganga, Virudhunagar, Pudukottai,
Thanjavur, Nagapattinam, Thiruvarur,
Tiruchirapalli, Karur, Perambalur,
Tirunelveli, Chennai, Thoothukudi, Madurai,
Theni, Dindigual and the Nilgiris Districts.
31. Kalinji Dabikoravar : Thanjavur, Nagapattinam, Thiruvarur and
Pudukottai Districts.
32. Kootappal Kallars : Tiruchirapalli, Karur, Perambalur and
Pudukottai Districts.
33. Kala Koravar : Thanjavur, Nagapattinam, Thiruvarur,
Tiruchirapalli, Karur, Perambalur and
Pudukottai Districts.
34. Kalavathila Boyas
35. Kepmaris : Kancheepuram, Tiravallaur, Pudukottai,
Tiruchirapalli, Karur and Perambalur Districts.
36. Maravars : Thanjavur, Nagapattinam, Tiruvarur,
Pudukottai, Ramanathapuram, Sivaganga,
Virudhunagar, Tirunelveli and Thothukudi
Districts
37. Monda Koravars
38. Monda Golla : Salem and Namakkal Districts

39. Mutlakampatti : Tiruchirapalli, Karur, Perambalur and
Puddukottai Districts.
40. Nokkars : Tiruchirapalli, Karur, Perambalur and
Pudukottai Districts
41. Nellorepet Oddars : Vellore and Tiruvannamali Districts
42. Oddars : Thanjavur, Nagapattinam, Thiruvarur,
Tiruchirapalli, Karur, Perambalur, Pudukottai,
Madurai, Theni and Dindigul Districts
43. Pedda Boyar : Tiruchirapalli, Karur, Perambalur and
Pudukottai Districts
44. Ponnai Koravars : Vellore and Tiruvannamalai Districts
45. Piramalai Kallars : Sivaganga, Birudhunagar, Ramanathapuram,
Madurai, Theni, Dindigul, Pudukottai,
Thanjavur, Nagapattinam and Thiruvarur
Districts.
46. Peria Suriyur Kallars : Tiruchirapalli, Karur, Perambalur and
Pudukottai Districts
47. Padayachi : Vellaiyan Kuppam in Cuddalore District and
Tennore in Tiruchirapalli District.
48. Punnan Vettuva Gounder : Tiruchirapalli, Karur, Perambalur and
Pudukottai Districts.
50. Salem Meland Koravars : Madurai, Theni, Dindigul, Coimbatore, Erode,
Pudukottai, Tiruchirapalli, Karur,
Perambalur, Salem, Namakkal, Vellore and
Tiruvannamalai Districts
51. Salem Uppu Koravars : Salem and Namakkal Districts
52. Sakkarai Thamadai Koravars: Vellore and Tiruvannamalai Districts
53. Saranga Palli Koravars
54. Sooramari Oddars : Salem and Namakkal Districts
55. Sembanad Maravars : Sivaganga, Virudhunagar and Ramanathapuram
Districts
56. Thalli Koravars : Salem and Namakkal Districts
57. Thelungapatti Chetties : Tiruchirapalli, Karur, Perambalur and
Pudukottai Districts
58. Thottia Naickars : Sivaganga, Virudhunagar, Kancheepuram,
Ramanathapuram, Tiruvellore, Thanjavur,
Nagapattinam, Thiruvarur, Tiruchirapalli, Karur, Perambalur, Pudukkottai, Tirunelveli,
Toothkudi, Salem, Namakkal, Vellore,
Tiruvannamalai, Coimbatore and Erode
Districts.
59. Thlogamalia Koravars or
Kepmaris : Tiruchirapalli, Karur, Perambalur and
Pudukottai Districts
60. Uppukoravars or Settipalli
Koravars : Thanjavur, Nagapattinam, Thirvarur,
Pudukottai, Madurai, Theni, Dindigul,
Vellore and Tiruvannamalai Districts.
61. Urali Goundars : Tiruchirapalli, Karur, Perambalur and
Pudukottai Districts
62. Wayalpad or Nawalpeta Korachas
63. Vaduvarpatti Koravars : Madurai, Theni, Dindigul, Ramanathapuram,
Sivaganga, Virudhunagar, Tirunelveli,
Toothukudi, Tiruchirapalli, Karur, Perambalur
and Pudukottai Districts
64. Valayars : Madurai, Theni, Dindigul, Tiruchirapali,
Karur, Perambalur, Pudukottai, Erode and
Coimbatore Districts
65. Vettaikarar : Thanjavur, Nagapatttinam, Thiruvarur and
Pudukottai Districts
66. Vetta Koravars : Salem and Namakkal Districts
67. Varaganeri Koravars : Tiruchirapalli, Karur, Perambalur and
Pudukottai Districts
68. Vettuva Gounder : Tiruchirapalli, Karur, Perambalur and
Pudukottai Districts

List of MOST BACKWARD CLASSES throughout the State of Tamil Nadu

List of MOST BACKWARD CLASSES throughout the State of Tamil Nadu unless and otherwise specified

1. Ambalakarar
2. Andipandaram
3. Bestha Siviar
4. Bhatraju (Other than Kshatriya
Raju)
5. Boyar, Oddar
6. Dasari
7. Dommara
8. Eravallar (except in Kanyakumari
district and shencottah Taluk of
Tirunelveli Dist where the
Community is a Scheduled Tribe)
9. Isaivellalar
10. Jambuvanodai
11. Jangam
12. Jogi
13. Kongu Chettiar (in Coimbatore and
Erode Dist only)
14. Koracha
15. Kulala (including Kuyavar and
Kumbarar)
16. Kunuvar Mannadi
17. Kurumba
18. Kuruhini Chetty
19. Maruthuvar, Navithar, Mangala,
Velakattalavar, Velakatalanair and
Pronopakari
20. Mond Golla
21. Moundadan Chetty
22. Mahendra, Medara
23. Mutlakampatti
24. Narikoravar
25. Nokkar
26. Vanniakular Kshatriya (including
Vaniyar, Vanniya, Vannia Gounder,
Gounder or Kander, Padyachi Palli and
Agnikula Kshatriya)
27. Paravar (except in Kanyakumari Dist
and Shencottah Taluk of Tirunelveli
Dist where the Community is Adi-
dravidar Caste) including converts to
Chiristianity.
28. Meenavar (Parvatha Rajakulam
Pattanavar Sembadavar including
converts to Christianity)
29. Mukkuvar or Mukayar (including
converts to Christianity)
30. Punnan Vettuva Gounder
31. Pannayar (other than Kathikarar in Kanyakumari dist)
32. Sathatha, Srivaishnava (inclduing Sathani, Chattadi and Chattada, Srivaishnava)
33. Sozhia Chetty
34. Telugupatti Chetty
35. Thottia Naicker (including Rajakambalam, Gollavar, Silliavar, Thockalavar and Thozhuva Naicker)
36. Thondaman
37. Valaiyar (including Chettinad Valayars)
38. Vannar (Salaivai Thozhilalar) (including Agasa, Madavala, Ekalirajakula Veluthadar and Rajka) Except in Kanyakumari dist and Shencottah Taluk of Tirunelveli Dist where the Community is a Adi- dravidar caste)
39. Vettaikarar
40. Vettuva Gounder
41. Yogeeswarar

LIST OF BACKWARD CLASSES throughout the State of Tamil Nadu Unless and otherwise specified:

LIST OF BACKWARD CLASSES throughout the State of Tamil Nadu Unless and otherwise specified:

1. Agamudayar including Thozhu or
Thuluva Vellala
2. Agaram Vellan Chettiar
3. Alwar, Azhavar and alvar(in
Kanyakumari District and
Shencottah Taluk of Tirunelveli
District)
4. Servai (except Tiruchirapalli, Karur,
Perambalur and Pudukottai districts)
5. Ansar
6. Arayar, Nulayar(in Kanyakumari
District and Shencottah Taluk of
Tirunelveli District)
7. Archakarai Vellala
8. Aryavathi (in Kanyakumari District
and Shencottah Taluk of Tirunelveli
District)
9. Ayira Vaisyar
10. Badagar
11. Billava
12. Bondil
13. Boyas (except Tiruchirapalli, Karur,
Perambalur, Pudukottai, The Nilgris,
Salem, Namakkal and Dharmapuri
Districts)
14. Pedda Boyar (except Tiruchirapalli,
Karur and Perambalur and Pudukottai
districts)

Oddars (except Thanjavur,
Nagapattinam, Thiruvarur,
Tiruchirapalli, Karur, Perambalur,
Pudukottai, Madurai, Theni and
Dindigul Districts)

Kaloddars(except Kancheepuram,
Tiruvallur, Ramanathapuram,
Sivaganga, Virudhunagar, Madurai,
Theni ,Dindigul, Pudukottai,
Tiruchirapalli, Karur, Perambalur,
Tirunelveli, Toothukudi, Salem and
Namakkal Districts)

Nellorepet Oddars (except Vellore
and Tiruvannamalai Districts)

Sooramari Oddars (except Vellore
and Tiruvannamalai District)

Chakkala (except Sivaganga,
Virudhunagar, Ramanthapuram,
Thanjavur, Nagapattinam,
Thiruvarur, Pudukkotai,
Tiruchirapalli, Madurai, Theni,
Dindigul and the nilgiris Districts)

15. Chavalakar (in Kanyakumari
District and Shencottah Taluk of
Tirunelveli District)
16. Chettu or Chetty (including Kotta
Chetty, Eluru Chetty, Pathira Chetty,
Valayal Chetty, Pudukkadai Chetty)
(in Kanyakumari District and
Shencottah Taluk of Tirunelveli
District)
17. Chowdry
18. Conveerts to Chirstianity from Adi- dravidar Castes irrespective of the generation of conversion for the purpose of reservation of seats in Education institutions and for seats in Public Services.
19. C S I formerly S.I.U.C (in
Kanyakumari District and
Shencottah Taluk of Tirunelveli
District)
20. Donga Dasaris (except
Kancheepuram Tiruvallur,
Tiruchirapalli, Karur, Perambalur,
Pudukottai, Chennai, Salem and
Namakkal Districts)

21. Dekkani Muslims/Pattanis
22. Devangar, Sedar
23. Dombs (except pudukottai, Karur
and Perambalur, Tiruchirappalli
Districts) Thiruvaruru Dommars,
(Except Thanjavur, Nagapatinam,
Thiruvarur, Pudukottai, Vellore and
Tiruvannamalai Districts).
24. Dudekula
25. Enadi
26. Ezhavathy (in Kanyakumari District
and Shencottah Taluk of Tirunelveli
District)
27. Ezhuthachar (in Kanyakumari
District and Shencottah Taluk of
Tirunelveli District)
28. Ezhuva (in Kanyakumari District
and Shencottah Taluk of Tirunelveli
District)
29. Gangavar
30. Gavara, Gavarai and Vedugar
(vaduvar) (other than Kamma,
Kapu, Balija and Reddi)
31. Gounder
32. Gowda (including Gammala Kalali
and Anuppa Gounder)
33. Hegde
34. Idiga
35. Illathu Pillaimar, Illuvar, Ezhuvar
and Illathar
36. Jhetty
37. Jogis (exceptKancheepuram,Tiruvallur, Theni,Dindigul,Cuddalore,Villupuram,Vellore and Tiruvannmalai districts)
38. Kabbera
39. Kaikolar, Sengunthar
40. Kaladi (except Kancheepuram,
Tiruvallur, Theni, Dindigul,
Cuddalore, Villupuram, Vellore and
Tiruvannamalai Districts)
41. Kalari Kurup including Kalari
Panicker (in Kanyakumari District
and Shencottah Taluk of Tirunelveli
District)
42. Kalingi
43. Kallar (including Easanattu Kallar,
Gandarvakottai Kallars) (except
Thanjavur, Nagapattinam,
Thiruvarur and Pudukottai Districts)
Kottappal Kallars (except
Pudukottai, Tiruchirapalli, Karur
and Perambalur Districts), Piramalai
Kallars (except Sivaganga,
Virudhunagar, Ramanathapuram,
Maduri, Theni, Dindigul,
Pudukottai, Thanjavur,
Nagapattinam and Thirvarur
Districts) periyasooriyar kallars.
(Except Tiruchirapalli, Karur,
Perambalur and Pudukottai District)
44. Kallar Kula Thondaman
45. Kalveli Gounder
46. Kambar
47. Kammalar or Viswakarma,
Viswakarmala (including Thattar,
Porkollar, Kannar, Karumar, Kollar,
Thacher, Kal Thacher, Kamsala and
Viswabrahmin)
48. Kani, Kanisu, Kaniyar, Panikkar
49. Kaniyala Vellalar
50. Kannada Saineegar, Kannadiyar
(Through out the State) and
Desapalanjika (Coimbatore, Erode
and the Nilgirs District)
51. Kannadiya Naidu
52. Karpoora Chettiar
53. Karuneegar (Seer Karuneegar, Sri
Karuneegar, Saradu Karuneegar,
Kaikatti Karuneegar, Mathuvazhi
Kanakkar, Sozhi Kanakkar and
Sunnambu Karuneegar)
54. Kasukara Chettiar
55. Katesar, Pattamkatti
56. Kavuthiyar
57. Kerala Mudali
58. Kharvi
59. Khatri
60. Kongu Vaishnava
61. Kongu Vellars(including Vellala
Gounder, Nattu Gounder,
Narambukatti Gounder, Tirumudi
Vellalar, Thondu Vellalar, Pala
gounder, Poosari Gounder, Anuppa
Vellala Gounder, Kurumba Gounder
Padaithalai Gounder, Chendalai
Gounder, Pavalankatti Vellala
Gounder, Pala Vellala Gounder, Sanku
Vellala Gounder and Rathinagiri
Gounder)
62. Kooppala, Velama
63. Koteyar
64. Krishnanvaka(inKanyakumari
District and Shencottah Taluk of
Tirunelveli District)
65. Kudikara Vellalar
66. Kudumbi (in Kanyakumari District
and Shencottah Taluk of Tirunelveli
District)
67. Kuga Vellalar
68. Kunchidigar
69. Labbais including Rowthar and
Markayar (Whether their spoken
language is Tamil or Urdu)
70. Lambadi
71. Latin Catholics (in Kanyakumari
District and Shencottah Taluk of
Tirunelveli District)
72. Lingayat(Jangaman)
73. Mahratta (Non-Brahmin) (including
Namdev Mahratta)
74. Malayar
75. Male
76. Maniagar
77. Mapilla
78. Marvars (except Thanjavur,
Nagapattinam, Thiruvarur,
Pudukottai, Ramanathapuram,
Sivaganga, Virudunagar, Tirunelveli
and Thoothukudi District) including
Karumaravars, Appanad
Kondayankottai Maravar (except
Sivaganga, Virudhunagar,
Ramanathapuram, Madurai, Theni
and Dindigul Districts) and Sembanad
Maravars (except Sivaganga,
Virudhunagar and Ramanathapuram
Districts)
79. Moondrumandai Embathunalu (84)
Ur Sozhia Vellar
80. Moopan
81. Muthuraja, Muthuracha, Muthiriyar, Muthuraiyar
82. Nadar, Shanar and Gramani (including
Christian Nadar, Christian Shanar and
Christian Gramani)
83. Nagaram
84. Naikkar (in Kanyakumari District
and Shencottah Taluk of Tirunelveli
District)
85. Nangudi Vellalar
86. Nanjil Mudali (in Kanyakumari
District and Shencottah Taluk of
Tirunelveli Districts)
87. Odar (in Kanyakumari District
and Shencottah Taluk of Tirunelveli
Districts)
88. Odiya
89. Ootiru Valanattu Vellalar
90. O.P.S. Vellalar
91. Ovachar
92. Paiyur kotta vellalar
93. Pamulu
94. Panar (Except in Kanyakumari
District and Shencottah Taluk of
Tirunelveli District where the
community is a Adi-dravidar Caste)
95. Panisaivan(including Virakodi
Vellala)
96. Kathikarar (in Kanyakumari Dist)
97. Pannirandam Chettiar or Uthama
Chettiar
98. Parakavakulam (including suruthimar,
Nathamar, Malayamar, Moopanar and
Nainar)
99. Perike (including Perike Balija)
100.Perumkollar (in Kanyakumari
District and Shencottach Taluk of
Tirunelveli Distirct)
101. Podikara Vellalar
102. Pooluva Gounder
103. Poraya
104. Pulavar (in Coimbatore and Erode
Distirct)
105. Pulavar or Pooluvar
106. Pusala
107. Reddy (Ganjam)
108. Sadhu Chetty (including Telegu Chetty, Twenty four Manai Telegu Chetti)
109. Sakkaravar or Kavathi (in
Kanyakumari District and
Shencottah Taluk of Tirunelveli
District)
110. Salivagana
111. Saliyar, Padmasaliyar, Pattusaliyar,
Pattariyar and Adhaviyar
112. Savalakkarar
113. Senaithalaivar, Senikudiyar and
Illaivaniar
114. Sheik
115. Sourashtra (Pathnulkarar)
116. Sozhiavellalar (including Sozha
Vellar, Vertilaikarar Kodikalkarar
and Keerai Karar)
117. Srisayar
118. Sundaram Chetty
119. Syed
120. Thogatta Veerakshatriya
121. Tholkollar (in Kanyakumari District
and Shencottah Taluk of
Tirunelveli District)
122. Tholuva Naicker and Vetalakara
Naicker
123. Thoraiyar
124. Thoriyar
125. Ukkirakula Kshatirya Naicker
126. Uppara, Upplilia and Sagara
127. Urali Gounder (Except
Tiruchirapalli, Karur, Perambalur
and Pudukottai Districts) and
Orudaya Gounder or Oorudaya
Goudner (in Madurai, Theni,
Dindigul, Coimbatore, Erode,
Tiruchirapalli, Karur, Perambalur,
Pudukottai, Slaem and Namkkal
Distirct)
128. Uriz Kara Nayakkar
129. Vallambar
130. Valmiki
131. Vaniyar, Vania Chettiar (including
Gandala, Ganika, Telikula and
Chekkalar)
132. Veduvar & Vedar (Except in
Kanyakumari District and
Shencottah Taluk of Tirunelveli
District where the community is
Adi-dravidar Caste)
133. Veerasaiva (in Kanyakumari
Distirict and Shencottah Taluk of
Tirunelveli District)
134. Velar
135. Vellan Chettiar
136. Veluthodathu Nair (in Kanyakumari
District and Shencottah Taluk of
Tirunelveli District)
137. Vokaligar(including vakkaligar,
okkaligar, Kappiliyar, Kappiliya,
Okkaliga Gowda, Okkaliya Gowda,
Okkaliya Gowder, Okkaliya
Gowda)
138. Wynad Chetty( The Nilgiris
District)
139. Yadhava (including idaiyar, Telugu
speaking idaiyar known as vaduga
Ayar or Vaduga idaiyar or Golla and
Ashanthra Golla)
140. Yavana
141. Yerukula
142. Converts to Chiristinity from any
Hindu Backward Classes
community for Most Backward
Classes Community or Denotified
communities except the converts to
Christianity from Meenavar,
Paravatharajakulam, Pattanavar,
Sembadavar, Mukkuvar or
Mukayar and Paravar.
143. Orphans and destitute children
who have lost their parents before
reaching the age of ten and are
destitutes and who have nobody else to take care of them either by law or customs and also who are
admitted into any of schools or
orphanages run by the Government.

LIST OF SCHEDULED TRIBES in Tamil Nadu

(B) LIST OF SCHEDULED TRIBES in Tamil Nadu

1. Adhiyan
2. Aranadan
3. Bravallan
4. Irular
5. Kadar
6. Kammara (excluding in
Kanyakumari District and
Shencottah Taluk of Tirunelveli
District)
7. Kanikaran, Kanikkar (excluding in
Kanyakumari District and
Shencottah Taluk of Trunelveli
District)
8. Kaniyan, Kanyan
9. Kattunayakan
10. Kochu Velan
11. Konda Kapus
12. Kondareddis
13. Koraga
14. Kota(excluding
Kanyakumari District and
Shencottah Taluk of Tirunelveli
District)
15. Kudiya Melakudi
16. Kurichchan
17. Kurumbas ( in the Nilgris District)
18. Kurumans
19. Maha Malasar
20. Malai Arayan
21. Malai Pandaram
22. Malai Vedan
23. Malakkuravan
24. Malasar
25. Malayali ( in Dharmapuri, Vellore,
Pudukottai, Salem, Namakkal,
Cuddalore, Tiruchirapalli, Karur and
Perambalur Districts)
26. Malayekandi
27. Mannan
28. Madugar, Muduvan
29. Muthuvan
30. Palleyan
31. Palliyan
32. Palliyar
33. Paniyan
34. Shologa
35. Toda(excluding in Kanyakumari
District and Shencottah Taluk of
Tirunelveli District)
36. Uraly

LIST OF ADI-DRAVIDAR CASTES in Tamil Nadu

LIST OF ADI-DRAVIDAR CASTES in Tamil Nadu

1. Adi Andhra
2. Adi Dravida
3. Adi Karnataka
4. Ajila
5. Arunthathiyar
6. Ayyanavar (in Kanyakumari District
and Schencottah Taluk of Tirunel-
veli District)
7. Baira
8. Bakuda
9. Bandi
10. Bellara
11. Bharatar (In Kanyakumari District
and Shencottah Taluk of
Tirunelveli District)
12. Chakkiliyan
13. Chalavadi
14. Chamar, Muchi
15. Chandala
16. Cheruman
17. Devendrakulathan
18. Dom dombara, Paidi, Pane
19. Domban
20. Godagali
21. Godda
22. Gosangi
23. Holeya
24. Jaggali
25. Jambuvulu
26. Kadaiyan
27. Kakkalan (In Kanyakumari district
and shencottah Taluk of Tirunelveli
District)
28. Kalladi
29. Kanakkan, Padanna (In the Nilgris
District)
30. Karimpalan
31. Kavara(in Kanyakumari District
and Shencottah Taluk of
Tirunelveli District)
32. Koliyan
33. Koosa
34. Kottan, Koodan (In Kanyakumari District and Shencottah
Taluk of Tirunelveli District)
35. Kudumban
36. Kuravan, Sidhanar
37. Madari
38. Madiga
39. Maila
40. Mala
41. Mannan (In Kanyakumari district
and shencottah taluk of Tirunelveli
District)
42. Mavilan
43. Moger
44. Mundala
45. Nalakeyava
46. Nayadi
47. Padannan (In Kanyakumari District
and Shencottah Taluk of Tirunelveli
District)
48. Pagadai
49. Pallan
50. Palluvan
51. Pambada
52. Panan (In Kanyakumari District and
Shencottah Taluk of Tirunelveli
District)
53. Panchama
54. Pannadi
55. Panniandi
56. Paraiyan Parayan, Sambavar
57. Paravan (In Kanyakumari district
and Shencottah taluk of Tirunelveli
District)
58. Pathiyan (In Kanyakumari District
and Shencottah Taluk of
Tirunelveli District)
59. Pulayan, Cheramar
60. Putthirai Vannan
61. Raneyar
62. Samagara
63. Samban
64. Sapari
65. Semman
66. Thandan ( in Kanyakumari District
Shencottah Taluk of Tirunelveli
District)
67. Thoti
68. Thiruvalluvar
69. Vallon
70. Valluvan
71. Vannan (in Kanyakumari District and Shencottah Taluk of Tirunelveli District)
72. Vathiriyan
73. Velan
74. Vetan(in Kanyakumari District and
Shencottah Taluk of Tirunelveli
District)
75. Vettiyan
76. Vettuvan (in Kanyakumari District
and Shencottah Taluk of
Tirunelveli District)

Wednesday, June 14, 2006

Number of Doctors

Dr. Devi Shetty of Narayana Hrudayalaya, a research hospital specializing in heartcare, in his Walk the Talk interview at http://www.financialexpress.com/fe_full_story.php?content_id=130395 says

You talk to the highest authorities in healthcare. If you ask them how many doctors are working in the country presently, believe me, nobody knows how many doctors are working.
I guess I have to disagree

Any competent Health Secretary can tell within 60 seconds as to how many doctors are working in his government

And there are atleast three departments, which have the list of doctors

1. The Department of Public Health. Each PHC has the list of all who practice (MBBS and non MBBS) in the villages in the PHC limit and a copy is also maintained at the District Level Office and from this you can make the state statistics within one hour. Why we maintain the list is for the simple reason we need to find out the exact number of people affected in times of Epidemics (which we often do) and natural calamities (thankfully they are few and rare). If there is an outbreak of Cholera, for example, not all affected would have gone to Hospitals or Primary Health Centre. Many would have got an injection from private nursing homes - and we need to know the exact number to plan ahead - and if we don't take into account the patients "treated" by private practitioners, we may underdiagnose and epidemic

And then, in cases of Cholera we have something like Temporary Treatment Depots (and in Malaria epidemics- Fever treatment depots) and we establish such depots at or near Nursing Homes as many come here for treatment. We also cover the registered medical practitioners (they will be very eager to get our help because we (from Govt) give the medicines/IV Fluids free of cost to them and they get a very good name from public by giving an injection for Rs 5 or "one bottle of Glucose" for Rs 50)

2. A similar record is also maintained by the Anganwadi centres (ICDS Scheme)

And then you have an even more exhaustive list with the

3. SBCID Head Constables and Sub Inspectors - This is a division of police who work under the direct control of DGP and get payment by check directly from the head quarters. They have a even more comprehensive as well as detailed list of both registered and unqualified practitioners for the simple reason that they also have to knock at the doors on various occasions like
(a) Fire in a village destroying few houses
(b) An accident - where they can immediately advise the high way patrol to go to the nearest health care setup
(c) Cases of police coming to nursing homes in search of convicts are very very rare. (though this is what you might have thought as the first reason)

And in case you want to know more, you will be surprised that the police list covers not only doctors, but also Pharmacists, ANMs, Staff Nurses, Lab Technicians, Health Inspectors, Hospital Workers, Siddha and Ayurveda guys who practise allopathic medicine - If you think the above list is too much, the list in our district in my areas also has a tailor!!!)

So if you ask the Health Secretary or the Home Secretary, they will tell the exact number of doctors within one hour (of course, if the doctor practices in two different districts, they may report from each district.

Of course, the easiest way will be to ask the State Medical Council, but the list they have includes both the doctors who are living as well as those who are dead

Another nepotist called RaviShankar

When some one by the name of Ravishankar, whom I thought to be a spiritual person told

'We need measures to unite the country and remove inequality at all levels. Reservation on the basis of caste will not only divide the country, but also hurt the self-esteem of our people,' he said, calling upon politicians not to divide and discriminate people in the name of caste or religion.
I posted the following comments
Can this gentleman Ravi Shankar sponsor education of a poor boy... I heard that he has a lot of money
And I got the following comments
there are so many rich people in our country, example,our politicians, who have so much concern for backward class,why dont they sponsor for the poor people?.in karnataka ,congress mp, R L JALAPPA,is the owner of devrajurs medical college,kolar.he is the president of association of private medical colleges (comedk).because of him ,this year no seats are given to government students.all seats are sold for 5-10 lakh fees per annum.
interesting thing, there was reservation in the comedk counselling.i could see reserve category people ,where able to pay 5-10 lakh fee per year.if they can pay so much fees,how can they be called backward?what a mockery of the system?
Let us see this one by one
if they can pay so much fees,how can they be called backward?what a mockery of the system?
I have for umpteen times proved that MONEY ALONE is not a criteria (though it is one of the main criteria)

Why do you still hung to that point

Why can't you come up with some new useful intelligent point.

Look, I am not supporting one side blindly. I am just trying to show you all that the issue is much more complex than IIT-JEE or PMPD.....

Try to learn something and teach something instead of repeating the same points.

Any how coming to another question
there are so many rich people in our country, example,our politicians, who have so much concern for backward class,why dont they sponsor for the poor people?
The point is very simple. They have proposed ONE SYSTEM (ie Caste based reservation - which has advantages and disadvantages). My question was directed to the other guys who oppose this quota giving filthy reasons (the truth is that they are fanatics and racists)

Ravishankar suddenly says that THERE SHOULD BE NO DISCRIMINATION . He says this ONLY WHEN THE CASTE BASED QUOTAS are about to be implemented.

If he had been concerned about Discrimination (based on money), he should have addressed that a long time ago. He did not do that. Because he DID NOT CARE MERIT BEING COMPROMISED and a POOR GUY NOT ABLE TO STUDY IN DEVARAG URS College (for example), where as a rich son of a doctor got admission to the Same College (with lesser marks)

He did not tell... Look... There should me no more discrimination on the basis of Economy... I am ready to pay 5 lakhs for a poor guy who has got more marks and not able to afford capitation

If he had been concerned about Merit, He should have done this a long time ago

But his concerns are different. He is concerned about a student from Backward caste getting a seat instead of a student from Forward Caste..... Wait... I am not criticising THAT......

What I am criticising is that, the swami should have the guts to tell that loud and clear. "I do not want a discrimination based on Community where a backward caste guy is favoured"

If he had told that I would have admired him

But what he told was a half truth (behind a mask)

And that is not good for some one of his stature (the same rule applies to Narayana Moorthy, and the two nepotists who resigned from the knowledge commission)

Any one opposing reservation has a valid reason - HIS Seats or the seats for the members of his community are reduced - the same valid reason for the pro-reservation group (who are going to gain more seats)

But what is disheartening is many people, whom I had great regard, are really cowards and dishonest when it comes to voicing your opinion

If you have something to tell - Why can't you tell it straight and loud (like how Aamir Khan told for Narmada Dam)

Why to go to useless arguments (when you add up all these arguments - it is pretty clear that they are outright foolish)

For example consider the two famous groups of arguments

One Group
1. We are fighting for merit. Do you need to have sub standard doctors treating you. Ask the politicians to be treated by Reserved Doctors. Let us write General Category in out letter pads

Second Group
1. Let us have Economy based reservation

Now the simple question is , will not the MERIT BE affected in Economy based Quota

1. Why did not you advice to write NON PAYMENT SEAT in your prescription SO FAR. WHy are you not concerned about the loss of merit due to payment seat, (or institutional reservation or BRI Quota etc etc) but ONLY concerned about loss of merit due to Caste based quota

WHy is that NO ONE from the Gang, which were contributing a lot of slogans (or our dear Doctor Suresh) answering this simple question

"Why did not you advice to write NON PAYMENT SEAT (or not institutional Quota) in your prescription SO FAR. "

Why is that you are so concerned about Merit ONLY in Caste based quotas and not in economy based quotas (of which there are two types - one quota for poor {which they want to implement} and the other quota for Rich {payment seat}

If the above question wounds some one from the Private Medical Colleges, think for a moment the effect it would have had on the whole of India when you shouted all those slogans and forwarded all the messages regarding Cricket Match and Man to Moon

1 Comments:

At 5:01 AM, karadi said…

Just happened to see your blog and was really impressed with foccused point of argument.I was also dismayed by the comments ( which the media gave wide publicity) put out by ravi shankar and another narayana murthy. Another point people should see is that the most media organisation are being managed and populated by the Forward caste( read Bhramin)due to which they get an undue advantage of their point of view getting echo'd and getting more space on the print.

Karthik

Monday, June 12, 2006

TNPSC’s rejection of applications upheld

From Chennai Online

The Madras High Court today upheld the Tamil Nadu Public Service Commission''s rejection of over 1800 applications for selection to 1825 posts of assistant surgeons (general) and in 21 other different specialities for various reasons including unsigned applications.

Dismissing a petition filed by over 150 candidates whose applications for selections were rejected, a Division Bench, comprising Justice P Sathasivam and Justice JAK Sampath Kumar, held that by not signing the applications they had rendered the particulars furnished ''unauthenticated'' and invalid.

"A Signature connotes the authenticity of the person, who satisfies the accuracy and correctness of particulars provided and furnished by him. In such circumstances we are of the view that the non-signing by applicants has rendered particulars furnished by them unauthenticated and the applications cannot be considered as valid," the Judges held.

The Judges said a perusal of the application forms made it clear that where and in how many places the applicants had to sign.

The TNPSC had invited applications for 1295 posts of assistant surgeons (general) and 530 posts in different specialities in July 2005. In all 7123 candidates had applied and of them 5317 were found eligible to write the test. The applications of 1806 candidates were rejected for various reasons, including non-signing of applications.
The petitioners contended that the reason for rejection was flimsy, unjust and arbitrary as it was only an irregularity, which could be rectified at any stage of recruitment

Sunday, June 04, 2006

Firing Without Reason

According to http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1611960.cms

Apple, known for its popular iPods, is pulling out its software development and support operations in India.
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Apple continues to operate its sales and marketing arm in Bangalore which employs 25 people. For most employees — a few have returned to their former employers — it was a bolt from the blue.

"It started off with building dreams. We were not given any warning. They just told us the operations would now head back to the US," said a sacked employee.


So guys who resigned their jobs and came to Apple are sacked FOR NO FAULT OF THEIRS

Would they have done this if there had been an Union for IT Professionals.

What is the justification in sacking people without giving ANY NOTICE and giving only 2 months salary when the employees have done nothing wrong.

Can some one explain this.

Do we need such companies in India.. or let me put it in a different way... Do we need companies that act like this in India.

Why can't there be a minimum guarantee or something like this.

You can argue with 100 reasons (agreements, Cost Efficiency etc ) for such behaviour, but what about "Human touch"

The only people who are going to be benefitted is few Psychiatrists around Bangalore who are going to get a lot of Depression Cases and few Suicidal tendencies perhaps when MNC do like this.

Saturday, June 03, 2006

Media Bias

Few interesting Posts

http://www.thehindu.com/2006/06/03/stories/2006060301841000.htm

The insensitive and casteist forms of protest some of them adopted — the `symbolic' sweeping of streets, the shining of shoes, the singing of songs warning OBCs and others to `remember their place' (`apni aukat mein rahio') — were put on air without comment by the channels. Nobody asked what kind of doctors these `meritorious' students were likely to become if they had such contempt towards more than half the population of India.

Under the terms of a High Court order, no protest or demonstration is permitted within the AIIMS campus. Yet nobody demurred when the anti-reservation students occupied the lawns, put up shamianas and coolers and received the "solidarity" of traders, event managers, and IT employees (whose employers usually ban their own staff from ever striking work.)


http://nanopolitan.blogspot.com/2006/06/siddharth-varadarajan-caste-matters-in.html
I also remember seeing, on a different CNN-IBN program, the other thing that he mentions: "songs warning OBCs and others to `remember their place'". It was truly atrocious; they actually showed four young men singing one of these songs. Since my Hindi is not great, I first assumed that these striking medicos were just having fun! My bemuseement turned into horror when the reporter translated the song (which essentially said, "know your place, and stay there") -- and the reporter didn't even bother to comment on the kind of garbage she showed to the viewers. Neither did the anchors.


http://cosmicvoices.blogspot.com/2006/04/obc-reservation-replies-to-editor.html
Where did these IITs, IIMs come from? They were established by the Government with the tax payers’ money. Taxes that were collected on every bar of soap and packet of salt that the teeming millions paid even during their poverty. Taxes that were collected with the promise that they too would have a share in fruits of development. Taxes that were collected 50 years ago when they were poorer than they are now. How much have these investments benifited the poor?


It is foolish to expect the injustice of 2500 years to be undone in 60 years. If anything, the inequalities have further widened in these 60 years. For 2500 years, they were made to suffer silently and you get impatient in a mere 60 years.


Enough Guys... Read those posts

More Questions Answered

Bumbledoor asks few questions as a comment in my blog

Here are His Questions and My Answers

1. Do you know that the landed Jats in Rajasthan, the influential and powerful Yadavs in Uttar Pradesh are also OBCs?
OK. But for this the downtrodden OBC should worry. Answer my Quuestion. Why are YOU worried for this

2. Do you know how easy it is to make false income certificates for people who are not government servants, especially for those who are businessmen and farmers?
I am telling this for the PAST 2 Years and this is exactly the reason why I AM TOTALLY AGAINST Economy based reservation. I request you to tell this to all the racists (like Narayana Moorthy) who are against caste based reservations, but favour economy based reservation. Please post this comment in other blogs that advocate Economy based reservation

3. Do you know that the management quota and NRI quota are limited to private aided and unaided colleges? There is no such quota in Central government institutes.
Yes. But Merit is diluted by these Quota. Why did not you people, who disrupt health care in the "name of merit" and nepotists who resigned from teh Knowledge commission in the name of merit did not do any thing

4. Do you know that most of these private colleges are owned by politicians or controlled by them through shadow boards?
Yes. WHy are you NOT opposing them

5. Do you know that these are the same politicians (who have shown rare unanimity on the issue of expanding quotas in government institutes ) who won’t take the initiative to abolish these quotas because they are money spinning tricks?
Why did not you fight against them. WHy did not Shiv Kera file a case against them in Supreme Court

6. Do you know that in the medical colleges the SC/STs study under the same teachers, use the same library facilities, live in the same hostels and eat the same food as upper caste students?
That is why I am against reservations in PG (See my other posts)

7. Do you know that in spite of the above, these reserved category students don’t perform at par with open category in post graduate (PG) entrance exam. Access the PG exam results of AIIMS (July 2006 session) to see for yourself-
See Tamil Nadu PG or other exams in South India and you will know that this statement is WRONG

8. Do you know that these exams are also open to the extremely bright and meritorious reserved category students from the state of Tamil Nadu ?
And these exams papers are available in Lucknow and Jaipur and Delhi. Even when few candidates were caught red handed and even when Govt wanted re exam it was you people in Delhi who persisted with the same fraud exam. Why did the AIIMS faculty and MAMC students go on a strike demanding re exam as Merit was compromised.. Honest Answers

11. Do you know that most of the students admitted under the SC/ST quota in Central Institutes are progeny of affluent parents who have undergone schooling in the best public schools and have been tutored at the same coaching centers which you call upper class preserves?

Yes.. And that is why we need to remove those educated class from the Quota (and not remove the Quota)

There is a tamil saying that water to paddy will trickle to the weed. For that you have to remove the weed (sons of IAS Officers) and not stop watering (remove Quota).. because when you stop watering (no quota) it is the Paddy (poor down trodden candidates) who are going to suffer

Idiotic Questions against reservations

Some fool with questionable mental acumen has raised few questions at this post I thought I will give him answers

Do you know that Dalits are different from OBCs?

Yes.. And that is why we need quotas for BCs as well. Don't you know such a simple fact. Aren’t you ashamed to exhibit your mental depravity by such questions. Do you think that we all are discussing this topic without knowing this basic difference. If not they would have asked for 49 % reservations

While OBCs, i.e shudras, though forbidden from hearing the vedas, were allowed to enter temples,
No.. They were not allowed to enter into temples. Before 19th century, the women of few communities like Nadar were not even allowed to wear blouses and have to work in fields topless. There was a social movement by Mrs.Caldwell in Tamil Nadu in the 19th century who stitched blouses for them in the western style.

and had different vocations through which they could earn a livelihood?But not the ones dealing with books and education and for that they need reservations now

Do you know that the current list of OBCs includes several well-off communities which even own land, and are often known to exploit dalits who work as labourers in their fields?
OBC has specific criteria. Please read that. And for heaven sake, do some home work before posting in other people’s blog. This is not your own blog where you can write rubbish. Contrary to popular belief/knowledge, the Mandal Commission's definition of OBC was based on 11 criteria, which covered Social, Educational and Economic discrimination. Thus, the debate about "caste-based" vs "economic criteria" is actually a non-issue. Please see the website of The National Commission for Backward Classes, for more details and for heaven sake, take care to ascertain facts before you post them in a public forum.

Do you know that there is a very active movement on in several states for an "MBC" quota? This movement says that the benefits of reservations are cornered by the affluent communities among the OBCs, and the ones truly underprivileged, i.e Most Backward Classes, are not getting any benefits?

Yes... So we have resever 10 percent for BC and 17 percent for MBC.... Why does that worry YOU....

Do you know that the population distribution table given here according to the Mandal Commission report is based on data from a 60 year old census and an NSSO survey conducted in 1999 says that OBCs are 32% of the population?


But OBC are more than 90% in Tamil Nadu as per the FR which I can say is a very comprehensive record. How can you decide. The differences in the estimates of OBCs among different surveys (52% by Mandal Commission, 32% by NSSO, 29% by National Family & Health Survey, etc.) is not because one is more accurate than the other - but because each uses difference criteria to define OBCs.



Do you know that according to the same NSSO survey, 24% of seats in colleges withour reservations are already occupied by members of the OBC category?

Yes.. But OBC are 60 % of population and the forward castes who are a miniscuel amount of population occupy greater seats just because they got education first


Do you know that there is no concept of "creamy layer" for SC/STs, i.e generations upon generations of even the most affluent SC/STs can keep benefitting from reservations?

Yes.. We will introduce one soon



Do you know that there is now a movement even amongst SC/STs to have separate sub-quotas since many benefits are cornered by second generation reservation beneficiaries?

No Idea... Can you give the details. When are you going to develop a habit of giving facts and not writing garbish from your impressions. Learn to write a decent post with good points. The points regarding reservations are being read by the whole country and not a group of racist fanatic lectures who had given you a pass in IIM. No wonder you got sacked from IBM



MORE QUESTIONS



Would you like to go to a doctor who has cleared all her/his exams with just passing grades and managed to secure admits only due to caste certificates? R u aware that after getting certificates, they also buy their ranks and marks ? and who will very likely cure you ( of life!)

You seem to be talking about the private colleges. Why can't you undertake a strike demanding the govt to shut down private medical colleges. Can you explain please. WHy are you worried only about Caste based Quotas and not about Sponsored seats, NRI Quota, Institutional Quota, Payment seats etc



And what about the student who works really hard, and who dosent get an admission simply bcoz the seat is reserved for someone ?

Exactly and that is why we ask you to fight against Sponsored seats, NRI Quota, Institutional Quota, Payment seats etc



U think people of lok sabha and the rajya sabha ( who hav won the elections on the basis of the votes of 76% of the population) would make such decisions with a sane mind ?

Of course, they will make a decision that is good for the 76 % and not for few people. It is democracy where the welfare of 76% is more important



in some universities the professors have been known to show partiallity towards one section of students due to their caste..

Never in Tamil Nadu, (except in IIT , of course which is known for racist faculty) Please come here to know how beautifully reservation has worked




There are just around 5 top medical colleges in Tamilnadu and the total number of seats in those are less than 500

Don't be stupid. What colleges do you mean by the Top 5. Can you give the seat matrix and justify your statement


With 69% seats reserved, a student from a non-reserved category needs to score minimum of 297+/300 to get admission into any of these institutes. This puts tremendous pressure on the students and the demand exerted on them is deadly!

And the Cut-Off for

BC - 296/300

MBC - 294/300

SC - 291/300

I have spoken about the 69% reservation at this post and at this post and at this post So every one has to study, not necessarily the one from Forward Caste

The actually backward sections either cant afford the higher-education or dont reach the required cut-offs.

May be few seats in the BC Quota are got by children of doctors, but I can proudly say that in my batch of 100 there were just 5 medicos whose parents were doctors. All others were first generation doctors coming from families where the average monthly income was about Rs. 5000 But we were helped be a very low tuition fees (some Rs 4000 per year)

- It is naked truth that many get fake caste certificates to get their kids into best of colleges.

Idiotic Statement. Tamil Nadu has a very systematic verification system. All the community certificates are sent from the Medical College to the DME (Director of Medical Education) and then the copies are sent from there to 3 seperate verification

1. By the Revenue department. Enquiry is carried by the Collector for ST, DRO for SC and RDO for MBC and Tahsildar for BC

2. SBCID/CBCID who undertake a secret verification (as they do for criminals). This has caused many uneasy moments. Imagine a father being told that police were enquiring about his son or daughter some 6 months after he/she has joined in medical college. The parents immediately rush to the hostel and will be welcomed by the ward who does not know why the police is enquiring about him in his home town. One of my classmate's parents did not believe this story and even shifted the house after getting transfer
3. Social Welfare Department.

- Also parents enroll their students to rural schools for their class XII alone because students belonging to rural schools have reservation too in the state.
That Quota has been cancelled for the past 4 years. ANd again, you should have studied in the rural school from 9th to 12th to get this quota and not XII alone .

Ok so they will increase the no. of seats so that others don’t suffer. But ask all those socialists who cry hoarse about the upliftment of downtrodden whether they would rather leave their lives in the hands of those who managed to get an MBBS or an MD only because they belong to a certain section of the society, so that their social cause can be furthered.
Can you ask this question like "who managed to get an MBBS or an MD only because"
their dad had 50 lakhs to pay for Private College
their dad had links to get a Sponsored Seat
their dad worked abroad and he studied under NRI Quota
Remember that the latter 3 quotas exist for while. But you were not protesting. But you are protesting for Caste Based Quota. That shows your casteist attidude

Ask the students belonging to the reserved quota whether they would like the same to be mentioned on their engineering/ MBA degrees, so that companies can exercise that right in fullest?
How come companies choose graduates from Private management college and private engineering college. This question again proves that your are a racist fanatic. Any how I suppose that they have the same EXIT EXAM and same pass mark for both. Then how does this matter, (Except for your casteist attitude)

Many of the reserved seats in these institutes are unfilled. What about that?
I have answered this question umpteen times. Tell me the seat and I will show you the candidate.

I don't have any idea about doctors, but i personally haven't heard people going to a doctor and first enquiring about whether he has come from reserved or unreserved category. And where is the data from which people are drawing conclusion that due to reservation we are producing mediocre doctors.
Very Good. The data is in the mind. It is written in the minds of the forward caste people that the other communities are below them. And this is exactly why we need reservations


8 Comments:
  • At 8:47 PM, bumbledoor said…

    Dr Bruno,
    Some questions of my own –
    I hope you would answer them.
    1. Do you know that the landed Jats in Rajasthan, the influential and powerful Yadavs in Uttar Pradesh are also OBCs?
    If you know the above, then you would know that they would also enjoy the spoils of reservation, if the policy is implemented in its present form.
    2. Do you know how easy it is to make false income certificates for people who are not government servants, especially for those who are businessmen and farmers?
    3. Do you know that the management quota and NRI quota are limited to private aided and unaided colleges? There is no such quota in Central government institutes.
    4. Do you know that most of these private colleges are owned by politicians or controlled by them through shadow boards?
    5. Do you know that these are the same politicians (who have shown rare unanimity on the issue of expanding quotas in government institutes ) who won’t take the initiative to abolish these quotas because they are money spinning tricks?
    6. Do you know that in the medical colleges the SC/STs study under the same teachers, use the same library facilities, live in the same hostels and eat the same food as upper caste students?
    7. Do you know that in spite of the above, these reserved category students don’t perform at par with open category in post graduate (PG) entrance exam. Access the PG exam results of AIIMS (July 2006 session) to see for yourself- http://www.aiims.edu/aiims/events/result/aiimspg-jul06.htm.
    8. Do you know that these exams are also open to the extremely bright and meritorious reserved category students from the state of Tamil Nadu ?
    9. Do you know that in all India PG exams of Jan 2006 (which have no provisions for reservation) also only 30 SC/ST students could make it to the merit list of 2000?
    10. Do you know that even these exams are also open to the brilliant reserved category students from the state of Tamil Nadu ?
    11. Do you know that most of the students admitted under the SC/ST quota in Central Institutes are progeny of affluent parents who have undergone schooling in the best public schools and have been tutored at the same coaching centers which you call upper class preserves?

    ANY ANSWERS?

  • At 1:36 AM, pranav said…

    why r u such an idiot?

    U shld go and ask people in US that u shld get into Haravard because upper caste from India and whites etc have occupied all seats

    I really dont want to live in same country as fools like you...

    Why shouldnt we ask for a seperate country?

  • At 7:21 AM, Doctor Bruno said…

    //1. Do you know that the landed Jats in Rajasthan, the influential and powerful Yadavs in Uttar Pradesh are also OBCs?//
    OK. But for this the downtrodden OBC should worry. Answer my Quuestion. Why are YOU worried for this

    //2. Do you know how easy it is to make false income certificates for people who are not government servants, especially for those who are businessmen and farmers? //
    I am telling this for the PAST 2 Years and this is exactly the reason why I AM TOTALLY AGAINST Economy based reservation. I request you to tell this to all the racists (like Narayana Moorthy) who are against caste based reservations, but favour economy based reservation. Please post this comment in other blogs that advocate Economy based reservation

    //3. Do you know that the management quota and NRI quota are limited to private aided and unaided colleges? There is no such quota in Central government institutes.//
    Yes. But Merit is diluted by these Quota. Why did not you people, who disrupt health care in the "name of merit" and nepotists who resigned from teh Knowledge commission in the name of merit did not do any thing

    // 4. Do you know that most of these private colleges are owned by politicians or controlled by them through shadow boards?//
    Yes. WHy are you NOT opposing them

    // 5. Do you know that these are the same politicians (who have shown rare unanimity on the issue of expanding quotas in government institutes ) who won’t take the initiative to abolish these quotas because they are money spinning tricks?//
    Why did not you fight against them. WHy did not Shiv Kera file a case against them in Supreme Court

    // 6. Do you know that in the medical colleges the SC/STs study under the same teachers, use the same library facilities, live in the same hostels and eat the same food as upper caste students?//
    That is why I am against reservations in PG (See my other posts)

    // 7. Do you know that in spite of the above, these reserved category students don’t perform at par with open category in post graduate (PG) entrance exam. Access the PG exam results of AIIMS (July 2006 session) to see for yourself-//
    See Tamil Nadu PG or other exams in South India and you will know that this statement is WRONG

    // 8. Do you know that these exams are also open to the extremely bright and meritorious reserved category students from the state of Tamil Nadu ?//
    And these exams papers are available in Lucknow and Jaipur and Delhi. Even when few candidates were caught red handed and even when Govt wanted re exam it was you people who persisted with the same fraud exam

    //11. Do you know that most of the students admitted under the SC/ST quota in Central Institutes are progeny of affluent parents who have undergone schooling in the best public schools and have been tutored at the same coaching centers which you call upper class preserves?//
    Yes.. And that is why we need to remove those educated class from the Quota (and not remove the Quota)

    There is a tamil saying that water to paddy will trickle to the weed. For that you have to remove the weed (sons of IAS Officers) and not stop watering (remove Quota).. because when you stop watering (no quota) it is the Paddy (poor down trodden candidates) who are going to
    suffer

  • At 7:39 AM, Doctor Bruno said…

    9. Do you know that in all India PG exams of Jan 2006 (which have no provisions for reservation) also only 30 SC/ST students could make it to the merit list of 2000? Yes. And this shows that the community has come up with reservations. Now do you know the corresponding figures 30 years ago. If you see that you will understand the reality

    10. Do you know that even these exams are also open to the brilliant reserved category students from the state of Tamil Nadu ? Yes. But how many AIIMS students get a rank in All India. If you see the top 50 students enter AIIMS. And all of them should get rank in All India . Can you tell the answer to this question

  • At 12:03 PM, bumbledoor said…

    Dr Bruno,
    I owe you some clarifications. Hope that you would keep these in mind.

    //OK. But for this the downtrodden OBC should worry. Answer my Quuestion. Why are YOU worried for this//
    But for you, every sane citizen of this country should be worried about this. The reason is very plain, unless you look at it with prejudiced eyes. Quotas are for empowerment of the weak and not to enable the domination of the strong.

    //I am telling this for the PAST 2 Years and this is exactly the reason why I AM TOTALLY AGAINST Economy based reservation. I request you to tell this to all the racists (like Narayana Moorthy) who are against caste based reservations, but favour economy based reservation. Please post this comment in other blogs that advocate Economy based reservation//
    You cannot fault a fair idea because it is difficult to put into practice. Same way as you cannot abolish democracy because people don't vote. Where there is a will there is a way. The same racist that you are vilifying has done India proud internationally. Even I can call you names because you disagree with me; but in the democracy that we are living in, I consider it far too undignified.


    //Yes. But Merit is diluted by these Quota. Why did not you people, who disrupt health care in the "name of merit" and nepotists who resigned from the Knowledge commission in the name of merit did not do any thing//
    Do you know that there are mostly no takers for these seats, because the degrees that they provide are worthless? Moreover, the candidates passing out from these colleges have no reservation for them in colleges of repute(i.e. govt.institutes) in PG courses. Even after doing PG from a private college they are not employed by the private sector, nor are they offered govt. jobs like the SC/STs. In effect, their degrees are useless. They practice just like unqualified quacks. Most of the private colleges involved in this medical education racket are in the Southern States flourishing under your very nose. Whenever, the MCI tries to revoke their accreditation, your very own pro-reservation netas use their influence to prevent this from happening. All these political leaders have stakes in them. WE DON"T ELECT THESE LEADERS. ITS CRAZY SOUTHERNERS WHO DO IT.PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO ARE TAKEN IN BY THEIR HOLLOW PROMISES OF RICE AT 2 Rs AND FREE TELEVISION SETS. “Why are you NOT opposing them " holds true for you and not for us. We have been opposing every politician who places his personal interests before national good e.g. Arjun Singh. That's why no political party is supporting us (as all politicians today fit this criterion) and everyone is on your side.
    Realize......


    //That is why I am against reservations in PG (See my other posts)//
    I haven't seen any reservation supporter opposing it. To quote from you "Why did not you fight against them ?"

    //See Tamil Nadu PG or other exams in South India and you will know that this statement is WRONG//
    It still doesn't answer my question because over 12000 candidates from ALL OVER INDIA sit in AIIMS PG entrance. Why should SC/ST examinees selectively underperform in this exam when you say that they have outclassed the open category in TN? Smacks of some "Grand Brahminical Conspiracy"..eh.

    //And these exams papers are available in Lucknow and Jaipur and Delhi. Even when few candidates were caught red handed and even when Govt wanted re exam it was you people who persisted with the same fraud exam//

    If I correctly remember, then the candidates who were disqualified for cheating in the AIPG exam 2006 were from the GREAT PROVINCE OF TAMIL NADU. The govt. wanted to jeopardize the fate of thousands because of a few dozen troublemakers from your noble state, which is setting high standards in education. Besides it was the Supreme Court- and not we - which decided to uphold the result...another conspiracy theory?

    //Yes.. And that is why we need to remove those educated class from the Quota //

    Even we don’t want to remove the quota. I reiterate…if a concept is not applied properly, it does not follow that the concept itself is bad. But we want a review in the system of administration of these quotas so that it benefits those whom it’s supposed to benefit. This, if you recall, is the primary demand of the "youth for equality" according to the charter of demands submitted to the court. Why is not government coming out with facts and figures in support of the quota policy, when you swear by its effectiveness?

    //Yes. And this shows that the community has come up with reservations. Now do you know the corresponding figures 30 years ago. If you see that you will understand the reality//
    yaa…sure 30/2000 after 60 years of reservations ...that’s an achievement. Especially when you realize that the number of candidates appearing for these exams has increased manifold over 30 years

    //Yes. But how many AIIMS students get a rank in All India. If you see the top 50 students enter AIIMS. And all of them should get rank in All India . Can you tell the answer to this question//
    For your kind information there are only 34 open seats in AIIMS MBBS course. It is you who are claiming that the institute graduates are the best in the country ...not I. And that’s why we have to prove our merit again in PG entrance exams, on a level playing field. In my batch out of 20 general category students who appeared, 7 got selected in AIIMS itself. There is presently no quota for AIIMS graduates(contrary to your claims in your previous posts)in PG admission ,as the SC wants merit and only merit to be the sole criterion for admission to AIIMS.

  • At 8:33 AM, Doctor Bruno said…

    //Quotas are for empowerment of the weak and not to enable the domination of the strong.//
    You should know that the landlord's sons do not usually get into Medical colleges or IIT unless they are able to score above 90% I am talking about the situation in Tamil Nadu and not in few states (as shown by NDTV) where they write 12th Exams in their home

    As such, the benefits of reservation are going to reach only the educated people like teachers, and clerks and not landlords. This is the reality in ALL SOUTH INDIAN States like Karnataka and AP where there are 50 % reservations. Remember that ALl the Software Giants of this country are run by engineers from these states and even those from North Indian States (and even Pakistan) come to south india for specialised medical treatment. hence merit is by no way compromised by reservations. And coming to OBC
    1. Those who are Class I and II Officers are already excluded by the present Creamy layer criteria and hence reservation cannot make them strong as you imagine
    2. THose agricultural landlords can get their kids only if those kids are able to get fairly decent marks (which they usually don't get)

    Hence this fear is totally unfounded and baseless

    //You cannot fault a fair idea//
    Two corrections
    1. You faulted
    2. It is not a fair Idea

    // Do you know that there are mostly no takers for these seats, because the degrees that they provide are worthless? //
    REally... ALl the private colleges are running in full swing. Tell me ONE private college where there are no takers. Please give responsible answers with supportive evidence and not write whatever you like... please...

    //Even after doing PG from a private college they are not employed by the private sector, nor are they offered govt. //
    No. You are totally wrong. Please check those employed in Appollo or other private hospitals. And they are not barred from entering government service

    // Whenever, the MCI tries to revoke their accreditation, your very own pro-reservation netas use their influence to prevent this from happening.//
    How many strikes, candle light walks agiatations have YOU DELHI DOCTORS so far held against private colleges.... We in south India have protested against Private Colleges for the past 20 years and only because of our protests the colleges are under check. Can you enumerate as to whether you have gone on a strike against these private colleges. Please give proof ....

    And finally, when you ask for the performance of SC/ST in All India, can you tell me the ranks of thos eudnergraduates from AIIMS in this all india

    Show the rank of the self proclaimed merit candidates please

  • At 8:37 AM, Doctor Bruno said…

    //yaa…sure 30/2000 after 60 years of reservations ...that’s an achievement. Especially when you realize that the number of candidates appearing for these exams has increased manifold over 30 years///

    Definetely because you have supressed them for 2500 years and continue to supress them even today through mass media and with the help of few racists ...

    This is really a great achievement which they have achievement inspite of all these supressions

    And the so called merit students from AIIMS cannot get ranks in All India

    ----
    1. WHere as question paper released in 2002

    2. Where was people caught copying with cell phones in 2004

    In 2006

    The government was ready for re exam. The govt wanted to have only meritorious candidates in the list

    But that was spoiled by few guys (of questionable merit, who probably used the Lucknow or Delhi technique and were not caught) who were sure that they will not get the same rank again if they are to attend another exam with strict guidelines and hence argued against re exam

  • At 12:48 AM, Ecacofonix said…

    This post has been removed by a blog administrator.

Do You Know ???

Madhukar Shukla asks a series of questions at his blog

IF you are some one who supports reservations, or some one who is dead against reservations (but have not opposition against Institutional Quota) or some one like me who wants reservation to be an one time affair and stopped with one generation or some one who does not know what is going around , do visit that page

And this is a highlight

Is the anti-reservations sentiment among the educated urban Indians merely a morally justifiable "rang-de-basanti" peg on which one can hang one's sulking tantrums about the loss of monopoly on the traditional turf?

Thursday, June 01, 2006

Why do the Forward Caste talk about Creamy Layer

This creamy layer is something that is going to be done within OBC....

This is essentially to make sure that the benefits of Reservation go to the downtrodden in BC and not the sons of IAS officers.....
Now will get benefitted by Creamy Layer concept.. The poor BC and MBC Candidates

Will the seats in General Pool increase or decrease due to Creamy Layer . NO... No increase or no decrease
Why then is the forward caste lobby asking for Creamy Layer.....
Forward Castes have no right in this section....

I can understand Forward Caste people saying "no reservations" (as their seats are going to be given to OBC, but why do they care about this Creamy layer

Think for yourself and you will know the real intention......


1 Comments:

At 10:23 AM, Yogesh said…

Sorry,got to this post little later then your earlier one where I have put an emotional reason
for my irritation regarding the creamy layer.

Now,after I read this post,I am not too surprised.You reason from a point of view that is not too uncommon but rarely do we see omeone put it in writing.The issue here is not personal gain but of justice and fairness. Two things that are cited by proponents of reservation.

And I stand by them.For me,Justice and fairness are what make a good,smoothly functioning society.

I am not against reservations.For me,50% is too much but if it is for the poor,let it be.Someone
who didn't get the best of oppurtunities will be able to provide better oppurtunities for his future generations.We need to lift everybody up as we go forward.
That is the rationale of reservations.

However,the creamy layer doesn't fall under this class.Don't ask why they should be out,ask why
they should be in.

Is there a prize being distributed for being born into a well-off family that also enjoys
reservation?The creamy layer is not a majority among the backward classes and they are well-off,get the best of education and coaching and there is no reason why they should be allowed the luxury of premier colleges with the sacrifice of merit.No real social benefit of a particular group being uplifted and merit being sacrificed as well.


Additionally,isn't this social injustice of a kind?Reservation is not a gift for oppression sufered in the past.It is to lift the weaker sections of society.Who wants a bank manager's family to be uplifted?

My father's superior is ,say,a OBC/SC/ST.He studies in a better school,has the better of
coaching and facilities and then inspite of being less hardworking and less proficient
academically gets to a much better college than I can.

That is a very real scenario today.

The rich and well-off among the forward caste may not feel it,but anyone from a relatively poor background with the added misfortune of having been born in a less educated forward class will be sensitive to this.

This is social injustice and it pricks and hurts and envenoms.

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