Please read http://nanopolitan.blogspot.com/2007/04/jees-bias-against-women.html for more understanding
Also Read Do-boys-fare-better-than-girls-in Entrance Exams
I would like to give some inputs here.....
Whenever there was an Exam that combined both MCQs and Text Based Patters (there are a lot of such exams during MBBS), it was always found that girls outscored boys in the text part and boys outscored girls in the MCQ part....
I am sure that the concept of coaching etc do not come here...
In 1995, a student called Delinda scored 200/200 in ALL FOUR SUBJECTS other than English and Tamil (Maths, Physics, Chemistry, Biology) .... She of course attended the same entrance exam coaching centres as others, but managed some 80/100 in Entrance....
This is just a tip of ice berg...
Please note that for getting more than 95 %, every one, whether boy or girl is into some special kind of coaching... Tuitions, special classes etc....
Hence I do no consider the "Advantage of Coaching Argument"
For example, (in 1996) I got 199,196 and 185 in Class XII and 98.333 % in Entrance and got MBBS seat
The girl who got District First in our batch got 200,199,199 and 95 % in Entrance
Both got into MBBS
And the bottom line
We both attended the same Entrance Coaching Class and the same Tuition for Physics and Chemistry....
Now Abi,
Coming to "getting into MBBS" in Tamil Nadu, the motivation as well as the facilites were same to both....
THere will be equal number of boys and girls in Physics, Chemistry and Biology Tuitions / SPecial Classes and Coaching Classes and there will be equal number of boys and girls in the Entrance Coaching Institutes...
What you say (Boys getting more facilities / being motivated) may be true as far as IIT-JEE, PMPD etc, but as far as I know I don't thing that there is a difference between the genders at State Exams....
Yet the results are varied...
This year, there is NO entrance in Tamil Nadu.... You will see that out of the 1500 seats, at least 1100 will be filled by girls...
By the way, take the TOP 100 rankers in any Board Exams..... How many of them have got there without and coaching... Not even 5...
In my knowledge, the level of coaching / special classes / tuitions needed for Class XII exams are more than the one month Training for Entrance Exams....
I do not think that the difference is due to "coaching".. Both boys and girls attend coaching for Board Exams as well as coaching for Entrance Exams, but girls outperform boys in board exams and boys out perform boys in entrance exams
I do not think that JEE is more biased than any entrance (objective type of questions).... It is as biased against girls as any other entrance in the same way board exam (needing to memorise 1200 pages with comma full stop etc) is biased against boys !!!!
Abi Said
Bruno: Your points are interesting. However, would you say that there is a good correlation between entrance exam marks and high school exam marks?
Further, the TN entrance exams are just not in the same league as the JEE, Bruno. 95 % of the students may go to a coaching centre, but do you think it is really necessary for a bright, diligent student?
//(b) Coaching centres' practices. Boys can go to Kota and camp out there for a year (foregoing a year of college!); I can't imagine parents sending their girls there for such a long period. Also (as AS observed in his/her comment), coaching centres operate during ungodly hours (a centre in Mumbai even tried all-night coaching sessions!) This too puts girls at a disadvantage.//
I don't have any idea about Kota, but there is a Coaching Institute for PG Entrance at Kottayam. You just will not believe the number of girls from Tamil Nadu staying there for one full year (and then getting a good rank in PG Entrance)....
Similarly, if you see Speed, Positive or Lotus Fast Track, the number of girls attending these PG Medical Entrance Exam Coaching tells that parents no longer differentiate between a girl and boy (at least as far as Medical Field is concerned)
//Bruno: Your points are interesting. However, would you say that there is a good correlation between entrance exam marks and high school exam marks?//
What I am telling is the other way around. I am telling that though both the (same batch of) boys and girls attend the same "Extra Coaching" (read as Tuition / Special Classes) for Board Exams and the same Coaching Institute for Entrance Exams, the boys outperform girls in Entrance and girls out perform boys in Board Exams....
This I am telling from following the Education / Entrance scenario in Tamil Nadu.
What I am trying to tell is that there is an natural inclination for girls to score well in MEMORY based exams and BOYS in Application based Exams.
//Further, the TN entrance exams are just not in the same league as the JEE, Bruno. //
Agreed....
The papers may not be tough. But what about the Competetion Levels. You score Only One Question and you are out of the competetion. IIT-JEE has a tough question paper, but I feel the competetion is more intense in TN Entrance (inspite of the "Low" quality of questions) because the margin of error is very low
//95 % of the students may go to a coaching centre, but do you think it is really necessary for a bright, diligent student?//
Let me put it this way....
It (Coaching) is not necessary for a bright diligent student to score 99 %
But of the 3 lakhs odd students, 3000 (at least 1 %) are bright and diligent and can get 99% without Coaching. But they have only 1500 seats !!!!
Who among the 3000 gets this 1500 is decided more by the Coaching !!!!
//i can tell you the ratio in aiims, it is 10-14 girls in a batch of 50, ie 20-30%. it is much higher(50% or above) in the university med colleges, but most of them have some sort of reservation for girls.I have no idea about jipmer.//
There is NO reservation for girls in MBBS Admissions. Reservation for girls are there in Government Job (after MBBS) in Tamil Nadu. I have no idea about other states
No reservation for Girls in JIPMER
Something about Tamil Nadu Scenario... This may not be related to the debate, but I want to record my comments...
This year there is going to be NO Entrance Exams in Tamil Nadu for MBBS Admission
You will see that there is atleast 70 % of girls in the allotment list
And then, Not even 50 Students from Rural Areas will be getting seats (as Entrances are removed)
This may sound funny, but the truth is that the Amount of Coaching needed (read as money spent) for Entrance Exams is just 10 % of the Coaching (read money spent) that is being given for Board Exams to enable the candidate get centum.
Hence, Rural Students will be at a great disadvantage because of Cancellation of Entrance Exams....
After seeing the pathetic result of the regulation, they will bring back the entrance in few years.. !!!