Observer : Your comment is very funny…
If you read very carefully, you will understand how illogical it is
//Simple. because Y is not allowed into Z or X’s space. Y has no space at all.//
Y has 50.5 %
//But why does X want to play in both the open space as well as the space into which Y is not allowed? //
THis is the basis for any reservation, including the Institute Quota in AIIMS, which Youth for Equality DO NOT OPPOSE. !!!!
//X, who is as well equipped as Y otherwise, must choose one or the other. //
This is also not as per the reservation.
//Right now he has it both ways, if he does not win the open space, he has a backup option which is not available to Y. //
This is the same for institute Quota. A candidate who did MBBS in AIIMS can compete in PG Entrance in Institute Quota as well as in Open Quota. Why is Youth for Equality not opposing this ???? This is the common problem in ALL TYPES OF RESERVATION
//Hence Y’s resentment against X, and not Z, for this double advantage.//
But did you forget that,
With exclusion of Creamy Layer - > X will compete in Open Quota (along with Y)
With Inclusion of Creamy Layer -> X will compete in reservation (so Y is free)
So as per your own logic, If Y should not be affected by X who is equal to him, Creamy Layer should be included. (You are telling this and not me)
Can you explain
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/I accept caste-only based reservations for SCs (Dalits) only.//
That is a very good point.
// The concept of creamy layer in and of itself makes no sense. It is only meant to be a minor check on abuse//
So you want inclusion or exclusion… Please be clear on this…..
//, if and only if there is strong and current data //
What data do you expect…..
What are the parameters you want to ascertain that a community is backward
Please tell
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//The concept of creamy layer in and of itself makes no sense.//
//This was a foregone conclusion as mentioned in this blog//
??????
Why make a conclusion (foregone conclusion) on something, which according to you, makes no sense ???
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Reality…
You have not answered my questions… I am waiting for an answer !!!!
And then Observer
//but the one I am familiar with is the standard logic defined in the dictionary.//
Which Dictionary.. Which logic…. ?????
In any case, the person who gets benefit in reservation can also come in the open category
For example, there is a ladies compartment in train
Ladies can also travel in general compartment
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//Why do ladies or handicapped people get a reserved compartment? Because they are weaker, and deserve some protection. //
Because OBC were refused education for 20 centuries, they are weaker (even though they may be economically and physically strong) and so we need to give them quotas….
//f a dude tries to get a seat in the general compartment, and misses the cut-off date (in UP/Bihar gets elbowed out or pushed off the seat), then he should not don a burqa or sari or put on a crutch, claim he feels weak, and go occupy a seat in the reserved compartment.//
Exactly…. but if something like this happens, it is a mistake of the forward caste….. AND For the OBC to get benefits, this should be PREVENTED…. I fully concur with you.. :) :) :)
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//YFE seem to be working against their selfish interests,//
Ha Ha Ha,,,, YFE …They are not fighting for merit… They are fighting for casteism… .Pure fanatism …
In AIIMS
Institute Quota is 33%
OBC Quota (proposed) is 27%
What can we tell about those guys who start an indefinite fast opposing OBC Quota, while not evening giving a single press release against Institute Quota…
What could be their motive - Merit (their hollow claim) or Racism / fanaticism — This is for any one to decide
To be frank (and blunt)…. my opinion (again my opinion)
Any one who selectively opposed Caste Based Reservation ALONE is racist and fanatic
And AT THAT SAME TIME
Any one who “selectively argues for Caste Based Reservation”, while ignoring handicapped quotas, quotas for widows, quotas for Gender (around 30% of seats are reserved for females in many institutions) Sons/Daughters/Grandsons/Grand daughters of Freedom Fighters Sports personalities, Dependants of armed forces personnel killed in action, Repatriates, Those born from inter-caste marriages Widows and deserted women
is also equally racist and fanatic !!!!
When one section (mentioned) is wrong (fanatic) it does not mean that the other section is right (noble)….. Both of the above groups spoil the society
Reality…. What do you think are the parameters you will use for Fresh Classification….
WHy is that NO ONE , who is anti reservation, has given these parameters…. This gives me a feeling that all this demand for “new study” / “Fresh study” is only a delaying tactic which is immoral…..
In my Opinion the best parameter will be whether the individual’s parent has availed reservation or not….
But will the powers agree for that…
Let us a tleast find what all these anti caste based reservation guys have regarding this
Few more Questions….
Why did not Shiv Kera file a case against Ex Service Man Quota on the basis of Merit … Why the Youth for Equality do not oppose the Institute Quota
Why Reality Check did not start a web site protesting Institute Quota in AIIMS or 100 % reservation in Delhi PG ????
In other words, when there are a lot of quota, why is Caste based Quota ALONE opposed ….. …
//In my view - cash for MBBS seats is a far greater problem than caste quotas.//
Exactly… This is why, when some one (example Narayana Moorthy, Shiv Kera) who opposes this caste based quota ON THE GROUND OF MERIT does not give his comment about MONEY BASED QUOTA, I doubt his real intentions…
If Shiv Kera had filed a case against Institute Quota (33% which is MORE THAN another Quota) or the 100 % Local University Quota for Delhi Undergraduates, I would have thought that he is a noble man….
Right now, my impression (again this is my impression - every one is free to have his/her impression as said by many in comments section of this blog) is that Guys like Narayana Moorthy, Shiv Kera are racists and are opposing this quota only for fanatic reasons……
//I think people will get equally outraged at the Ex Servicemen quota if it assumed a large enough proportion. //
I don’t think so…..
//Also none of the other schemes discriminate on the basis of birth (over which one has no control).//
Ooops… Did you miss anything….. What about the seats reserved for “children” of Army Generals
And
Why did not all those guys who ask for exclusion of creamy layer did not oppose to the son of the Major General competing with the son of the Corporal
Please note that MY STAND IS THAT ONLY THE CORPORALS should ask for this… But there were quite a few commentators who felt that the general category should have a say in this… My question is that why has those “social conscious” guys who talks length and breadth about Creamy layer in Caste Based Quota do not talk about Creamy layer in Exserviceman Quota or Institute Quota….
To be frank (and blunt)…. my opinion (again my opinion)
Any one who selectively opposed Caste Based Reservation ALONE is racist and fanatic
And AT THAT SAME TIME
Any one who “selectively argues for Caste Based Reservation”, while ignoring handicapped quotas, quotas for widows, quotas for Gender (around 30% of seats are reserved for females in many institutions) Sons/Daughters/Grandsons/Grand daughters of Freedom Fighters Sports personalities, Dependants of armed forces personnel killed in action, Repatriates, Those born from inter-caste marriages Widows and deserted women
is also equally racist and fanatic !!!!
In AIIMS
Institute Quota is 33%
OBC Quota (proposed) is 27%
What can we tell about those guys who start an indefinite fast opposing OBC Quota, while not evening giving a single press release against Institute Quota…
What could be their motive - Merit (their hollow claim) or Racism / fanaticism — This is for any one to decide